The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[silhillvilla]

I hold lambert wholly responsible for the WBA debacle .
Poor team selection and crap tactics. Responsibility is firmly his here.

It wasn't a 'debacle'. Playing with 10 men for 70 minutes would have been tough whoever we were playing. It was a combination of a lot of things on the day.

One shot on goal all game ?? In a local derby. As for Richardson , he should never have been selected.
And the tactic of passing backwards from goal kicks - genius that one !

[ClaretAndBlueBlood]

I hold lambert wholly responsible for the WBA debacle .
Poor team selection and crap tactics. Responsibility is firmly his here.

It wasn't a 'debacle'. Playing with 10 men for 70 minutes would have been tough whoever we were playing. It was a combination of a lot of things on the day.

One shot on goal all game ?? In a local derby. As for Richardson , he should never have been selected.
And the tactic of passing backwards from goal kicks - genius that one !

get some therapy man, or go and lie in a dark room for a while. Life really isn't that bad, and doesn't last that long anyway

[silhillvilla]

That's a fair point. Lambert is really getting to me.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I've gone beyond Lambert getting to me. There comes a time where you have to draw a line in the sand and reflect whether he'd ever be good enough even if you gave him more money to spend and a bit more luck when it comes to injuries. The conclusion I came to is he'd be the new MON, top 6 finishes, losing cup finals and more importantly still without a plan, playing ugly football with no footballing philosophy to leave his successor.

One word for me sums up Lambert, erratic. He'll never be what we want him to be or deserve. They sooner he's gone the sooner we can move on. Until that happens I'm resigned to suffering week in, week out, comforted only by the knowledge that one day he'll be replaced and with the hope and belief that we can find better. Until that day, we reluctantly go again.

[saunders_heroes]

There's an excuse for nearly every defeat.

Injuries.
Someone got sent off.
Keane's being a c***.
They're on a good run.
We're lacking confidence.
Ref gave us nothing.
They spent more money than us.

We've got no backbone as a club at the moment and accept whatever shit is served up to us and whatever bad record is broken. There is no excuse or reason why 3 years down the line from taking over Lambert hasn't stamped any kind of signature on his team, we wing it from game to game trying to survive and it's shit to watch and shit to be a part of.

The sooner the chancers Lambert and Lerner leave the better. Never in a million years are they capable of taking us forward proactively, every decision is a reaction to something they didn't see coming.

And no I won't accept that this is where we should be right now. We should have sacked that clown after the Christmas and New Year 2012 fuck up and got in someone else, we didn't because the chairman couldn't give a hoot as long as we don't cost him more dollars.

Agree with this 100%. He should have been sacked after the 8-0 disgrace at Chelsea. Instead he was allowed to stay and fester. It just about sums up the lack of interest and respect Lerner holds for Villa.

[dave.woodhall]

There's an excuse for nearly every defeat.

Injuries.
Someone got sent off.
Keane's being a c***.
They're on a good run.
We're lacking confidence.
Ref gave us nothing.
They spent more money than us.

We've got no backbone as a club at the moment and accept whatever shit is served up to us and whatever bad record is broken. There is no excuse or reason why 3 years down the line from taking over Lambert hasn't stamped any kind of signature on his team, we wing it from game to game trying to survive and it's shit to watch and shit to be a part of.

The sooner the chancers Lambert and Lerner leave the better. Never in a million years are they capable of taking us forward proactively, every decision is a reaction to something they didn't see coming.

And no I won't accept that this is where we should be right now. We should have sacked that clown after the Christmas and New Year 2012 fuck up and got in someone else, we didn't because the chairman couldn't give a hoot as long as we don't cost him more dollars.

Agree with this 100%. He should have been sacked after the 8-0 disgrace at Chelsea. Instead he was allowed to stay and fester. It just about sums up the lack of interest and respect Lerner holds for Villa.

You'd sack a manager after four months in the job on the back of one result?

[Rudy Can't Fail]

You'd sack a manager after four months in the job on the back of one result?

No but I neither would I give him a four year contract extension on the back of two results.

[aj2k77]

He should have gone after the Newcastle defeat at home. We'd lost 7 out of 11, the only wins were Bradford at home (sackable offence losing to a bag of shit 4th division club over 2 legs in a semi final itself) and Ipswich. We'd also conceded 29 goals in those 11.

Nothing much has changed, seasons are still littered with bad runs, no cup runs anymore although we don't concede hatfuls of goals anymore as he's lost his nerve and gone ultra defensive.

[Clampy]

You'd sack a manager after four months in the job on the back of one result?

No but I neither would I give him a four year contract extension on the back of two results.

I think the majority agree with that, even if those two results wasn't the exact reason.

[PeterWithesShin]

The Chelsea defeat was our 3rd defeat in 12, the other 2 were against the Manc clubs and we had just got to the LC semi's. There is zero chance any chairman anywhere would have sacked him at that time.

[Chris Smith]

I've gone beyond Lambert getting to me. There comes a time where you have to draw a line in the sand and reflect whether he'd ever be good enough even if you gave him more money to spend and a bit more luck when it comes to injuries. The conclusion I came to is he'd be the new MON, top 6 finishes, losing cup finals and more importantly still without a plan, playing ugly football with no footballing philosophy to leave his successor.

One word for me sums up Lambert, erratic. He'll never be what we want him to be or deserve. They sooner he's gone the sooner we can move on. Until that happens I'm resigned to suffering week in, week out, comforted only by the knowledge that one day he'll be replaced and with the hope and belief that we can find better. Until that day, we reluctantly go again.

Given all of that, what makes you think the people above would bring in anyone better to replace him? Lerner's track record hardly inspires confidence and Fox doesn't have one.

While the club remains in limbo it would just be shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.

[aj2k77]

Chris is there any situation during the season where you think Lerner should consider sacking Lambert?

[andyh]

I've gone beyond Lambert getting to me. There comes a time where you have to draw a line in the sand and reflect whether he'd ever be good enough even if you gave him more money to spend and a bit more luck when it comes to injuries. The conclusion I came to is he'd be the new MON, top 6 finishes, losing cup finals and more importantly still without a plan, playing ugly football with no footballing philosophy to leave his successor.

One word for me sums up Lambert, erratic. He'll never be what we want him to be or deserve. They sooner he's gone the sooner we can move on. Until that happens I'm resigned to suffering week in, week out, comforted only by the knowledge that one day he'll be replaced and with the hope and belief that we can find better. Until that day, we reluctantly go again.

Given all of that, what makes you think the people above would bring in anyone better to replace him? Lerner's track record hardly inspires confidence and Fox doesn't have one.

While the club remains in limbo it would just be shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.

its a good point, but changing the manager has had a positive impact at the shower down the road.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I've gone beyond Lambert getting to me. There comes a time where you have to draw a line in the sand and reflect whether he'd ever be good enough even if you gave him more money to spend and a bit more luck when it comes to injuries. The conclusion I came to is he'd be the new MON, top 6 finishes, losing cup finals and more importantly still without a plan, playing ugly football with no footballing philosophy to leave his successor.

One word for me sums up Lambert, erratic. He'll never be what we want him to be or deserve. They sooner he's gone the sooner we can move on. Until that happens I'm resigned to suffering week in, week out, comforted only by the knowledge that one day he'll be replaced and with the hope and belief that we can find better. Until that day, we reluctantly go again.

Given all of that, what makes you think the people above would bring in anyone better to replace him? Lerner's track record hardly inspires confidence and Fox doesn't have one.

While the club remains in limbo it would just be shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.

It would be difficult not to find better and you'd hope that though Fox may not have the experience of appointing managers, he'd have a damn sight better idea of who to ask. From the little that I've read and heard from him, he certainly comes across a extremely professional, not somebody that wouldn't have done his research neither a man to remain silent should Randy have another of his brainwaves. Bringing in the right man would also make his job a hell of a lot easier especially increasing the turnover through commercial deals.

There are a couple of things holding us back; Lerner's understandable reluctance to throw more money at the club, at least until the books are in oder. The other is Paul Lambert who sadly has proved he's not up to the job. Lambert's only possible escape route is finding a decent coach to organise the footballing side. I hope the dalay in the appointment of Keane's replacement is because we're searching the planet to find somebody that can take the responsibility away from Lambert, allowing him to focus on 'other matters'.

I know you're very reluctant to managerial change, Chris but surely even you can see something has to give.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

You'd sack a manager after four months in the job on the back of one result?

No but I neither would I give him a four year contract extension on the back of two results.

I think the majority agree with that, even if those two results wasn't the exact reason.

True Clampy but it was just the ideal time to bury bad news.