The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[Villa in Denmark]

]To put the tailspin into even starker reality.

Lambert's last 38 league games as far as I can work out from the beeb.

Played   Won    Lost  Drawn   Goals For   Goals Against   GD   Points
38            10       21      7       35                         65          -30      37

For the last 19 games or half seasons worth:

Played   Won    Lost  Drawn   Goals For   Goals Against   GD   Points
19              4         13     2         12                     39          -27     14

And that ladies and gentlemen is a recipe for obliteration, not just relegation, and 10 of those points came in the golden start to this season!

[Comrade Blitz]

I want a manager who's up-to-date and proactive not another dinosaur focusing on the same shite that's failed in the past.

With few exceptions that's the Premier League in a nutshell - clubs just go on recycling the same old set of dinosaurs (Bruce, Pardew, Bagpuss, Moyes, Warnock, Pulis, Allardyce, Mark Hughes...)

[supertom]

]To put the tailspin into even starker reality.

Lambert's last 38 league games as far as I can work out from the beeb.

Played   Won    Lost  Drawn   Goals For   Goals Against   GD   Points
38            10       21      7       35                         65          -30      37

For the last 19 games or half seasons worth:

Played   Won    Lost  Drawn   Goals For   Goals Against   GD   Points
19              4         13     2         12                     39          -27     14

And that ladies and gentlemen is a recipe for obliteration, not just relegation, and 10 of those points came in the golden start to this season!

He's got to go. Simple as that. Attaining the level of mediocrity against Spurs, as opposed to the usual piss-poor, isn't good enough.

[supertom]

I want a manager who's up-to-date and proactive not another dinosaur focusing on the same shite that's failed in the past.

With few exceptions that's the Premier League in a nutshell - clubs just go on recycling the same old set of dinosaurs (Bruce, Pardew, Bagpuss, Moyes, Warnock, Pulis, Allardyce, Mark Hughes...)

I think we need someone old school with experience in the short term to keep us up this year, or next. Pulis is the man who could do that who is available.

Long term we do need a change of emphasis. We need to change the culture of the club, but for as well as Southampton and Swansea are doing for example, it's taken them years and they've had to attain a certain consistency in their appointments to carry that through.

We can't begin that process mid-way through a season because we'd end up going down for sure probably. We've got to get organised, motivated, survive in the short term. Get to a level of consistency where we can be comfortable, keep hold of our better players. Then either this summer, or the next one we appoint someone like Koeman, who will install a footballing philosophy at the club and start getting us to play the right way. Someone who will use the budget we have to buy footballers. Quality with potential. Someone who can make us cope if we have to sell our better players.

[McRusson]

Stuart McCall resigned today after the ignominy of 5 straight defeats with Motherwell, here's hoping he's set a trend for beleaguered Scottish managers. How Lambert has the front to continue I don't know. Get rid, get Moyes in and let's get this salvation operation on the road.

[PaulWinch again]

Things is I don't particularly want Moyes, I'd like a progressive and forward thinking manager. However at the moment we just need rid of Lambert and this culture of defeat being acceptable.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think we need someone old school with experience in the short term to keep us up this year, or next. Pulis is the man who could do that who is available.

Long term we do need a change of emphasis. We need to change the culture of the club, but for as well as Southampton and Swansea are doing for example, it's taken them years and they've had to attain a certain consistency in their appointments to carry that through.

The thing is, you can't have both what you want in the first paragraph and what you want in the second.

Pulis isn't going to come here, keep us up, then walk away. If he came here, we'd have to give him a reasonable amount of time to change us. The problem is there's not really anything he has demonstrated to suggest he's ever going to deliver what you want in your second paragraph.

I think the club needs changing from top to bottom. It did when Lambert arrived, too. It hasn't happened, but that's not because we don't need that change - we still do - it is because Lambert is clearly incapable of delivering it.

With the exception of a few games, I don't see any evidence we play better football than we did under McLeish. If he can't consistently move us on from such a low standard as that, then you have to wonder whether he's ever going to take us anywhere.

[Malandro]

Stuart McCall resigned today after the ignominy of 5 straight defeats with Motherwell, here's hoping he's set a trend for beleaguered Scottish managers. How Lambert has the front to continue I don't know. Get rid, get Moyes in and let's get this salvation operation on the road.

But you know Randy would choose McCall next

[Chris Smith]

I want a manager who's up-to-date and proactive not another dinosaur focusing on the same shite that's failed in the past.

With few exceptions that's the Premier League in a nutshell - clubs just go on recycling the same old set of dinosaurs (Bruce, Pardew, Bagpuss, Moyes, Warnock, Pulis, Allardyce, Mark Hughes...)

I think we need someone old school with experience in the short term to keep us up this year, or next. Pulis is the man who could do that who is available.

Long term we do need a change of emphasis. We need to change the culture of the club, but for as well as Southampton and Swansea are doing for example, it's taken them years and they've had to attain a certain consistency in their appointments to carry that through.

We can't begin that process mid-way through a season because we'd end up going down for sure probably. We've got to get organised, motivated, survive in the short term. Get to a level of consistency where we can be comfortable, keep hold of our better players. Then either this summer, or the next one we appoint someone like Koeman, who will install a footballing philosophy at the club and start getting us to play the right way. Someone who will use the budget we have to buy footballers. Quality with potential. Someone who can make us cope if we have to sell our better players.

Problem is, you will not get long term planning while we have a semi-detached owner.

[Tom_Mc9?]

I'm in agreement that we need someone more progressive than Moyes or Pulis. Who that is I do not know, but if Southampton and Swansea are able to find people, then we should be too.

[pauliewalnuts]

I'm in agreement that we need someone more progressive than Moyes or Pulis. Who that is I do not know, but if Southampton and Swansea are able to find people, then we should be too.

I'd even consider giving Ads another crack at it.

[Des Little]

I'm in agreement that we need someone more progressive than Moyes or Pulis. Who that is I do not know, but if Southampton and Swansea are able to find people, then we should be too.

I'd even consider giving Ads another crack at it.

Me too.  I think we should overlook those issues where he swore at fans and when he got caught in a layby in Cannock with Gillian Taylforth and a golden retriever .  It needs to be a football decision, nothing else.

[SamTheMouse]

We can't begin that process mid-way through a season because we'd end up going down for sure probably. We've got to get organised, motivated, survive in the short term. Get to a level of consistency where we can be comfortable, keep hold of our better players. Then either this summer, or the next one we appoint someone like Koeman, who will install a footballing philosophy at the club and start getting us to play the right way. Someone who will use the budget we have to buy footballers. Quality with potential. Someone who can make us cope if we have to sell our better players.

Koeman's doing well, but he wasn't the one who instilled their current footballing ethos. It wasn't even Pochettino who did that. It started under Nigel Adkins. Who's currently in mid-table Championship obscurity with Reading. Just goes to show how little sense football makes...

[Holte L2]

I'm in agreement that we need someone more progressive than Moyes or Pulis. Who that is I do not know, but if Southampton and Swansea are able to find people, then we should be too.

I'd even consider giving Ads another crack at it.

Mancini would be at the top of my list.  Granted he'd want a huge salary, and war chest to match. But he's out of work and loved managing in England.

[supertom]

I want a manager who's up-to-date and proactive not another dinosaur focusing on the same shite that's failed in the past.

With few exceptions that's the Premier League in a nutshell - clubs just go on recycling the same old set of dinosaurs (Bruce, Pardew, Bagpuss, Moyes, Warnock, Pulis, Allardyce, Mark Hughes...)

I think we need someone old school with experience in the short term to keep us up this year, or next. Pulis is the man who could do that who is available.

Long term we do need a change of emphasis. We need to change the culture of the club, but for as well as Southampton and Swansea are doing for example, it's taken them years and they've had to attain a certain consistency in their appointments to carry that through.

We can't begin that process mid-way through a season because we'd end up going down for sure probably. We've got to get organised, motivated, survive in the short term. Get to a level of consistency where we can be comfortable, keep hold of our better players. Then either this summer, or the next one we appoint someone like Koeman, who will install a footballing philosophy at the club and start getting us to play the right way. Someone who will use the budget we have to buy footballers. Quality with potential. Someone who can make us cope if we have to sell our better players.

Problem is, you will not get long term planning while we have a semi-detached owner.

Yep, and that's another aspect we need to hope changes in the next 12 months.