The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[villan from luton]

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Someone should make a copy of the Newcastle banner, not a Welsh village, Villas last 36 games under Lambore.

8 wins
5 draws
23 defeats

Bloody hell 23 points out of 108 thats awful

So is your maths

[paul_e]

The thing is though, whilst you can't entirely blame Lambert for the defeat yesterday you can question his response to what was happening on the pitch.  With 10 men and a lead we needed 2 things, a solid midfield and an out ball where we could be reasonably confident the ball would stick for a while.

He took off Nzog and replaced him with Gabby, removing a player who was holding the ball up pretty well with a guy who hasn't looked capable of doing that, it also forced Weimann deeper and forced him to get more involved defensively, right at a time where he'd gone all wild-eyed.  Richardson on instead, push Cleverley out right, Richardson out left and move Andi up top on his own for a few minutes, try to get the shape sorted and get organised.  5minutes later you take a clearly tiring Sanchez and Weimann off and replace them with Grealish and Gabby, with cleverley moving inside and Grealish going on the right (or left and swapping with Richardson) but with the instruction for Richardson to tuck in when we get the ball and Grealish to get up around Gabby and try to get on the ball and draw free kicks.  Every time they kick him it's a chance the numbers get evened up but more importantly, like Hull, it's breaks the game up.

[andyh]

But, he took Wiemann off as soon as they equalised !
Why not shore up the midfield BEFORE the goal, rather than trying to do it AFTER the goal.

And then, after going behind, with 6 mins injury time, he throws on a striker !!

absolutely, fucking, baffling.   

[Holte L2]

I'd have taken N'Zogbia off and replaced him with Clark.  We needed to shore up the defence.  Going with three centre backs would have achieved that.  My final substitution would have been Richardson on for Weimann just to give us a last burst of energy.

[Legion]

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Someone should make a copy of the Newcastle banner, not a Welsh village, Villas last 36 games under Lambore.

8 wins
5 draws
23 defeats

Bloody hell 23 points out of 108 thats awful

So is your maths

Ha!

[paul_e]

But, he took Wiemann off as soon as they equalised !
Why not shore up the midfield BEFORE the goal, rather than trying to do it AFTER the goal.

And then, after going behind, with 6 mins injury time, he throws on a striker !!

absolutely, fucking, baffling.   

Exactly, it's always reacting to goals rather than reacting to the performance(s) of the teams and players.  He goes on about not caring about statistics, for  me it goes deeper than that, he doesn't care about anything until goals are scored.  Unfortunately it's then too late.

The thing that upsets me the most about him is that his poor management has turned us against players who are better than they're being made to look.  Weimann for example, has shown that he can find the back of the net when he plays off the shoulder of a target man, and yet Lambert has forced him into an odd 'defensive inside forward' position where he's expected to come into the midfield and build play as well and covering a fullback and tracking runners.  All of this means he's very rarely anywhere near the box when we get into good crossing positions.  Even yesterday it came about from a poor goalkick and some shoddy defending by Rose which meant our midfield hadn't had to build anything, it was all just natural instead.

[Meanwood Villa]

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Someone should make a copy of the Newcastle banner, not a Welsh village, Villas last 36 games under Lambore.

8 wins
5 draws
23 defeats

Bloody hell 23 points out of 108 thats awful

So is your maths

It also includes a couple of cup games (2 home defeats to League 1 opposition lest we forget) so no points up for grabs. Isn't it all about win percentage these days anyway? In which case Lambo's in the aforementioned 36 games is 22.22%.

Over his whole Villa career I get it at 30.61% and that's being generous by counting the Bradford home leg as a win when we all know it wasn't. I don't claim to have done a great deal of statistical analysis on the subject but my guess is that winning less than 1 in 3 is generally considered shit.

Another scary thought is by my count Southampton at home will be his 100th competitive game in charge. How many more will we have to endure?

[PaulWinch again]

This has been said before by others, but I think essentially do you think the team's performance is improved by Lambert's management or is his management detrimental to the team? If I look at the squad it isn't great, but is it as bad as the results and performances we put in on a weekly basis? I don't think so. Therefore I'd suggest the management is dragging the players down and the team is less than the sum of its parts.

[brian green]

Nailed in one PW.

[Rudy65]

I never classed myself as anti lambert, but imo his an unlucky manager (im being as kind as i can) to me he talks as though he can get it right, but as youve pointed out above the results dont lie. Time for parties to go  separate ways, No I dont have an idea who should come in, and Im aware Randy's just give him a 4 year contract it makes this mess all the harder to resolve.

get Moyes in

has good prem experience and a point to prove to his detractors

[Monty]

I never classed myself as anti lambert, but imo his an unlucky manager (im being as kind as i can) to me he talks as though he can get it right, but as youve pointed out above the results dont lie. Time for parties to go  separate ways, No I dont have an idea who should come in, and Im aware Randy's just give him a 4 year contract it makes this mess all the harder to resolve.

get Moyes in

has good prem experience and a point to prove to his detractors

Agreed. Let's get rid of our dour Scottish manager with his defensive style (which doesn't make up for his eye for a bargain), and who showed at his most recent job that his tactics are getting out of style with no sign of his learning or adapting them, and get in...erm...

[Richard E]

This has been said before by others, but I think essentially do you think the team's performance is improved by Lambert's management or is his management detrimental to the team? If I look at the squad it isn't great, but is it as bad as the results and performances we put in on a weekly basis? I don't think so. Therefore I'd suggest the management is dragging the players down and the team is less than the sum of its parts.

This is spot on, and why we'd be better off if he went.

[Holte L2]

I never classed myself as anti lambert, but imo his an unlucky manager (im being as kind as i can) to me he talks as though he can get it right, but as youve pointed out above the results dont lie. Time for parties to go  separate ways, No I dont have an idea who should come in, and Im aware Randy's just give him a 4 year contract it makes this mess all the harder to resolve.

get Moyes in

has good prem experience and a point to prove to his detractors

Get Mancini in, give him adequate funds to spend in Janaury and galvanize our club.

[paul_e]

I never classed myself as anti lambert, but imo his an unlucky manager (im being as kind as i can) to me he talks as though he can get it right, but as youve pointed out above the results dont lie. Time for parties to go  separate ways, No I dont have an idea who should come in, and Im aware Randy's just give him a 4 year contract it makes this mess all the harder to resolve.

get Moyes in

has good prem experience and a point to prove to his detractors

I really don't get the appeal of Moyes and never have, he is a decent manager but I'm utterly fed up with Celtic managers.  Moyes is a vote for marginal improvements on the style we've seen for most of the last decade, which has combined to see us be one of a small number of clubs to get a playboy owner and completely fuck it up.

I want a manager who's up-to-date and proactive not another dinosaur focusing on the same shite that's failed in the past.

[Walmley_Villa]

Mmmm, not sure about Moyes myself, we need somebody a bit more how can I say less dour than McLeish, Lambert and Moyes. Somebody to come in and galvanize the players, fans and club. No idea who that could be tbh as there is no Big Ron equivalent around. I just can't see Lerner repaying Lambert with the sack and I can't see him walking away. If we are stuck with him we need another coach in, especially with Keane not sounding as if he will hang around.