The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[olaftab]

Been in Amsterdam for a few days. I presume we still have that awful Scottish gonk in charge?

Go back to Amsterdam smoke a little, eat a cake or two, make friends in those cosy cubicles and everything will be alright.

[olaftab]

Am not going to repeat myself again, but I am just going to say give him till Christmas and see where we are there.

Without repeating yourself what would be acceptable at Xmas?

[Gregorys Boy]

Am not going to repeat myself again, but I am just going to say give him till Christmas and see where we are there.

Without repeating yourself what would be acceptable at Xmas?

About 12th or 11th in the table a decent amount of points and signs that the team are moving forward.

[olaftab]

I think that would be ok however 16/17th would not be acceptable. We can not be in another relegation scrap this season.

[Gregorys Boy]

I think that would be ok however 16/17th would not be acceptable. We can not be in another relegation scrap this season.

I agree and that would be my thinking.  Would be good if Pulis was still available then in case. 

[SoccerHQ]

Paul Lambert will be manager of this club as long as Randy Lerner wants him to be. Lerner has had ample opportunity to sack him in the last two years when you think back to some of the shambolic results we've had in his tenure....I found it incredible he survived the Bradford debacle. Their relationship must be very strong...or Randy dosen't give a toss.

Is he going to sacked a few weeks after signing a 4 year deal. I would say it's very very unlikely. However I'm sure Tom Fox is currently examining the finer points of that deal as these are usually full of get out clauses and deal breaks.

I was just thinking what he couldn't survive. We're currently on 5 defeats. It's very feasible it will be 7 with Spurs and West Ham. Dangerous territory with an international break then coming but I still reckon he'd survive that.

However I fail to see how he'd survive something ridiculous like losing 9 or 10 straight games. That would be Saints, Burnley and Palace so two relegation rivals. Xmas games would be coming up so plenty of points and games to turn around the season from the lift of a new manager.

We've probably reached the tipping point now but increasingly it looks the Burnley game as that looks to me the only realistic game we can actually win for the forseeable future unless we have another one of those 28% and score from 2 shots type of games.

[ozzjim]

Loses 8 in a row and no manager could survive surely. 8 full games on the bounce is mind bogglingly inept.

[paul_e]

Paul Lambert will be manager of this club as long as Randy Lerner wants him to be. Lerner has had ample opportunity to sack him in the last two years when you think back to some of the shambolic results we've had in his tenure....I found it incredible he survived the Bradford debacle. Their relationship must be very strong...or Randy dosen't give a toss.

Is he going to sacked a few weeks after signing a 4 year deal. I would say it's very very unlikely. However I'm sure Tom Fox is currently examining the finer points of that deal as these are usually full of get out clauses and deal breaks.

I was just thinking what he couldn't survive. We're currently on 5 defeats. It's very feasible it will be 7 with Spurs and West Ham. Dangerous territory with an international break then coming but I still reckon he'd survive that.

However I fail to see how he'd survive something ridiculous like losing 9 or 10 straight games. That would be Saints, Burnley and Palace so two relegation rivals. Xmas games would be coming up so plenty of points and games to turn around the season from the lift of a new manager.

We've probably reached the tipping point now but increasingly it looks the Burnley game as that looks to me the only realistic game we can actually win for the forseeable future unless we have another one of those 28% and score from 2 shots type of games.

I'm really not sure about that.

If we roll over on sunday and put in a display as limp as the Everton game I can't imagine Villa park being a particularly pleasant place to betowards the end of the match.  I seem to recall reading that Lerner is expected to be there and if so I can't see him leaving a ground full of very angry fans calling for the manager's head and being thick skinned enough to not even consider it.  As I've said before, to me Monday felt like it was a real turning point, it's the first time I've ever thought he'd really lost the fans.  This poll compared to the last one and the one before is pretty stark, it's always been 20-30% wanting him out and the rest advocating more time, to flip to 80% wanting him out is significant.  Add in the trending of #lambertout and it doesn't paint a good picture.

[pauliewalnuts]

He is not going to sack someone he gave a new four year contract to a little over a month ago.

I think we need to come to terms with that.

The only way he would do so would be if he'd built in to the contract some clauses limiting compensation, but two things make me think that won't be the case:

1. Why would Lambert accept, say, a four year contract tying him to the club yet giving him a limited amount of compensation if they sack him?
2. Even if he could get Lambert to agree to it, I strongly doubt Lerner would have the nous to do it.

Let's not forget, this is a manager who, in the summer, Lerner referred to as one of two people having shown extraordinary loyalty to the club, working within difficult parameters which he had set.

He's going absolutely nowhere. In fact, I actually think he still wouldn't get the sack even if we got relegated at the end of this season.

[pauliewalnuts]

it's the first time I've ever thought he'd really lost the fans.  This poll compared to the last one and the one before is pretty stark, it's always been 20-30% wanting him out and the rest advocating more time, to flip to 80% wanting him out is significant.  Add in the trending of #lambertout and it doesn't paint a good picture.

That's not actually correct, we've reset the poll a few times, and it has been significantly more than 80 percent wanting him out on a number of occasions.

[brian green]

Much depends on whether Tom Fox is an improvement on Faulkner. Most of the calamitous cockups of the last four and a half years can, in my opinion, be put down to a combination of Lerner's naivety and having yes men around him.  If Fox is another 'yes' man Lambert will stay, Lambert will get us relegated and once relegated Lambert will be allowed to remain on the basis of his Championship record.
If Fox is half the man we hoped him to be he will cut through Lerner's body armour of absentee apathy and solve the Lambert problem. There is a Lambert problem as big as any the club has ever faced.  The time to act is now.

[Chris Smith]

To me it is similar to the dog days of the Ellis era. An underperforming manager kept in place as it is cheaper and less disruptive while the owner looks for a buyer.

[Mister E]

He is not going to sack someone he gave a new four year contract to a little over a month ago.

I think we need to come to terms with that.

The only way he would do so would be if he'd built in to the contract some clauses limiting compensation, but two things make me think that won't be the case:

1. Why would Lambert accept, say, a four year contract tying him to the club yet giving him a limited amount of compensation if they sack him?
2. Even if he could get Lambert to agree to it, I strongly doubt Lerner would have the nous to do it.

Let's not forget, this is a manager who, in the summer, Lerner referred to as one of two people having shown extraordinary loyalty to the club, working within difficult parameters which he had set.

He's going absolutely nowhere. In fact, I actually think he still wouldn't get the sack even if we got relegated at the end of this season.

regardless of the statement of loyalty, if Lerner finally 'gets it' and pulls the trigger Lambert is gone. The only issue will be the amount of compo. It'll be included in the contract and capped. If it's capped at - say - £1m, that's only 1/60th of the money from the Premiership for the season.
Contractually, there'll be very little stopping Lerner from getting rid - it's simply where the tipping point is for him.


But Chris is probably right - the dog days and the unwillingness to disrupt.

[JD]

He is not going to sack someone he gave a new four year contract to a little over a month ago.

I think we need to come to terms with that.

The only way he would do so would be if he'd built in to the contract some clauses limiting compensation, but two things make me think that won't be the case:

1. Why would Lambert accept, say, a four year contract tying him to the club yet giving him a limited amount of compensation if they sack him?
2. Even if he could get Lambert to agree to it, I strongly doubt Lerner would have the nous to do it.

Let's not forget, this is a manager who, in the summer, Lerner referred to as one of two people having shown extraordinary loyalty to the club, working within difficult parameters which he had set.

He's going absolutely nowhere. In fact, I actually think he still wouldn't get the sack even if we got relegated at the end of this season.

regardless of the statement of loyalty, if Lerner finally 'gets it' and pulls the trigger Lambert is gone. The only issue will be the amount of compo. It'll be included in the contract and capped. If it's capped at - say - £1m, that's only 1/60th of the money from the Premiership for the season.
Contractually, there'll be very little stopping Lerner from getting rid - it's simply where the tipping point is for him.


But Chris is probably right - the dog days and the unwillingness to disrupt.

Why can't their contracts read 'Your goal and target is to win games of football, failure to do this will result in dismissal for non performance, with no compensation'.

[Mister E]

In other news Everton (Everton?!!) post a profit of nearly £30m.
We seem to be getting it wrong in so many ways.