The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[eamonn]

Blimey, Henry Winter knows how to get a lot more out of Lambo than any other journo thus far (Pat Murphy is still the bravest for prickly questions though).

[OCD]

Blimey, Henry Winter knows how to get a lot more out of Lambo than any other journo thus far (Pat Murphy is still the bravest for prickly questions though).

Other journo's probably got the same out of him but just couldn't understand it once they came to type it up.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I've seen quite a few threads on here crediting our good start to the influence of Roy Keane. It's a fair comment I suppose, but were the defeats to Arsenal and Orient also down to him or was that Lambert's fault?
I've said all along that I couldn't see any manager choosing to sign lower league players if he was given the choice between them and Premier league players. His signings have been slagged off, but the fact he also signed Benteke and Vlaar seems to get forgotten when this argument is raised and should those two be sold we'd be looking at a good £30m profit. Yes there are some things he has got badly wrong. Getting rolled out of cup competitions by lower league opposition shouldn't happen, every now and again you can excuse it but not every bloody time. However, whilst 15th place in the league isn't good enough for a club of Villa's stature it was in my opinion an achievement last season with the squad at his disposal. I can't see another manager doing a better job in the current circumstances and I see the contract extension as a positive.

Sorry but disagree on every point except getting knocked out the cups.

I haven't seen lots of threads praising Keane. Maybe the attitude of the players and the shift they put in but nothing more.

Lambert's best talent is the players he's signed, certainly his biggest strength in my eyes. Obviously not all come off but he's done well.  Where history gets rewritten in this line about him having to sign lower league players. Utter bullshit. It was his choice. To pretend otherwise is nonsense. He could have gone from Day 1 the route he's taking now, a few cheapos and a few on loan. For some reason he thought he was the man that could develop talent. That's obviously not the case.

We've basically lost two years whilst Lambert l.earns his job. I've no problem with him learning his trade, I've said it often enough, like the players he brought in, some will hit others will miss but it was obvious from the first few months, Lambert was completely under qualified for the job, had the longest honeymoon in Villa history and we're still not sure he knows what he's doing. But hell, he's better than TSM, or at least we try to believe.

That crap squad you refer to last season that finished 15th was HIS squad. Why try and blame somebody else, unless you are Villafirst? To then say that nobody else could have done better is ridiculous. It's not as if Lambert is some kind of tactical genius. The opposite is closer to the truth.

Facing the raw truth is the fact that for the near future we're stuck with him and like him or not, we have to hope
he now starts showing himself to be the manager we thought we were getting 2 years ago, as up until now, he's been one of the worst Villa managers in our history.

I see the contract extension as Lerner deciding 'better the devil you know' (that says nice things about you in the press). I love Randy's intentions but he's way out of his depth with the Villa. We need nurturing and it's too time consuming for him despite his passion for the club.

When Lambert's team start to get the basics right and for the first time there are tiny green shoots they may just do it, I'll start taking him more seriously but right now he's still Mr Tactically Inept, way out of his depth. Maybe it's because we now have a generation of Villa fans that are used to shit football at Villa Park, that believe the win is the be all and end all, despite it leading nowhere medium/long term, I don't know.

What I do know (and hope) is that one day we find a Vic Crowe/ Ron Saunders that can build something sustainable. The poor sods that have seen us since Gregory onwards won't know what they're watching. That will be the time to give praise to a Villa manager but right now we're so desperate, 2am with beer goggles, we'll take whatever we can get. it doesn't have to be like that.

My hope for this season is Lambert is the manager we hoped we'd signed 2 years ago. I won't hold my breath but it's about time we had somebody that knows his arse from his elbow. It's the least we deserve.

[OCD]

He wasn't being called tactically inept after the Liverpool win.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

He wasn't being called tactically inept after the Liverpool win.

Okay, (let's delete the last two years) you're right. Maybe I'm fickle but I certainly wasn't calling him a tactical genius.

[BoskoDjembaSalifou]

I've seen quite a few threads on here crediting our good start to the influence of Roy Keane. It's a fair comment I suppose, but were the defeats to Arsenal and Orient also down to him or was that Lambert's fault?
I've said all along that I couldn't see any manager choosing to sign lower league players if he was given the choice between them and Premier league players. His signings have been slagged off, but the fact he also signed Benteke and Vlaar seems to get forgotten when this argument is raised and should those two be sold we'd be looking at a good £30m profit. Yes there are some things he has got badly wrong. Getting rolled out of cup competitions by lower league opposition shouldn't happen, every now and again you can excuse it but not every bloody time. However, whilst 15th place in the league isn't good enough for a club of Villa's stature it was in my opinion an achievement last season with the squad at his disposal. I can't see another manager doing a better job in the current circumstances and I see the contract extension as a positive.

Sorry but disagree on every point except getting knocked out the cups.

I haven't seen lots of threads praising Keane. Maybe the attitude of the players and the shift they put in but nothing more.

Lambert's best talent is the players he's signed, certainly his biggest strength in my eyes. Obviously not all come off but he's done well.  Where history gets rewritten in this line about him having to sign lower league players. Utter bullshit. It was his choice. To pretend otherwise is nonsense. He could have gone from Day 1 the route he's taking now, a few cheapos and a few on loan. For some reason he thought he was the man that could develop talent. That's obviously not the case.

We've basically lost two years whilst Lambert l.earns his job. I've no problem with him learning his trade, I've said it often enough, like the players he brought in, some will hit others will miss but it was obvious from the first few months, Lambert was completely under qualified for the job, had the longest honeymoon in Villa history and we're still not sure he knows what he's doing. But hell, he's better than TSM, or at least we try to believe.

That crap squad you refer to last season that finished 15th was HIS squad. Why try and blame somebody else, unless you are Villafirst? To then say that nobody else could have done better is ridiculous. It's not as if Lambert is some kind of tactical genius. The opposite is closer to the truth.

Facing the raw truth is the fact that for the near future we're stuck with him and like him or not, we have to hope
he now starts showing himself to be the manager we thought we were getting 2 years ago, as up until now, he's been one of the worst Villa managers in our history.

I see the contract extension as Lerner deciding 'better the devil you know' (that says nice things about you in the press). I love Randy's intentions but he's way out of his depth with the Villa. We need nurturing and it's too time consuming for him despite his passion for the club.

When Lambert's team start to get the basics right and for the first time there are tiny green shoots they may just do it, I'll start taking him more seriously but right now he's still Mr Tactically Inept, way out of his depth. Maybe it's because we now have a generation of Villa fans that are used to shit football at Villa Park, that believe the win is the be all and end all, despite it leading nowhere medium/long term, I don't know.

What I do know (and hope) is that one day we find a Vic Crowe/ Ron Saunders that can build something sustainable. The poor sods that have seen us since Gregory onwards won't know what they're watching. That will be the time to give praise to a Villa manager but right now we're so desperate, 2am with beer goggles, we'll take whatever we can get. it doesn't have to be like that.

My hope for this season is Lambert is the manager we hoped we'd signed 2 years ago. I won't hold my breath but it's about time we had somebody that knows his arse from his elbow. It's the least we deserve.

This is a good post.

The bit in bold is something I really agree with. As one of those poor sods, I too hope more than anything that one day we have a manager who is capable of building something great here. Lambert might still be that man, but it's unlikely based on the previous two seasons.

[edgysatsuma89]

I've seen quite a few threads on here crediting our good start to the influence of Roy Keane. It's a fair comment I suppose, but were the defeats to Arsenal and Orient also down to him or was that Lambert's fault?
I've said all along that I couldn't see any manager choosing to sign lower league players if he was given the choice between them and Premier league players. His signings have been slagged off, but the fact he also signed Benteke and Vlaar seems to get forgotten when this argument is raised and should those two be sold we'd be looking at a good £30m profit. Yes there are some things he has got badly wrong. Getting rolled out of cup competitions by lower league opposition shouldn't happen, every now and again you can excuse it but not every bloody time. However, whilst 15th place in the league isn't good enough for a club of Villa's stature it was in my opinion an achievement last season with the squad at his disposal. I can't see another manager doing a better job in the current circumstances and I see the contract extension as a positive.

Sorry but disagree on every point except getting knocked out the cups.

I haven't seen lots of threads praising Keane. Maybe the attitude of the players and the shift they put in but nothing more.

Lambert's best talent is the players he's signed, certainly his biggest strength in my eyes. Obviously not all come off but he's done well.  Where history gets rewritten in this line about him having to sign lower league players. Utter bullshit. It was his choice. To pretend otherwise is nonsense. He could have gone from Day 1 the route he's taking now, a few cheapos and a few on loan. For some reason he thought he was the man that could develop talent. That's obviously not the case.

We've basically lost two years whilst Lambert l.earns his job. I've no problem with him learning his trade, I've said it often enough, like the players he brought in, some will hit others will miss but it was obvious from the first few months, Lambert was completely under qualified for the job, had the longest honeymoon in Villa history and we're still not sure he knows what he's doing. But hell, he's better than TSM, or at least we try to believe.

That crap squad you refer to last season that finished 15th was HIS squad. Why try and blame somebody else, unless you are Villafirst? To then say that nobody else could have done better is ridiculous. It's not as if Lambert is some kind of tactical genius. The opposite is closer to the truth.

Facing the raw truth is the fact that for the near future we're stuck with him and like him or not, we have to hope
he now starts showing himself to be the manager we thought we were getting 2 years ago, as up until now, he's been one of the worst Villa managers in our history.

I see the contract extension as Lerner deciding 'better the devil you know' (that says nice things about you in the press). I love Randy's intentions but he's way out of his depth with the Villa. We need nurturing and it's too time consuming for him despite his passion for the club.

When Lambert's team start to get the basics right and for the first time there are tiny green shoots they may just do it, I'll start taking him more seriously but right now he's still Mr Tactically Inept, way out of his depth. Maybe it's because we now have a generation of Villa fans that are used to shit football at Villa Park, that believe the win is the be all and end all, despite it leading nowhere medium/long term, I don't know.

What I do know (and hope) is that one day we find a Vic Crowe/ Ron Saunders that can build something sustainable. The poor sods that have seen us since Gregory onwards won't know what they're watching. That will be the time to give praise to a Villa manager but right now we're so desperate, 2am with beer goggles, we'll take whatever we can get. it doesn't have to be like that.

My hope for this season is Lambert is the manager we hoped we'd signed 2 years ago. I won't hold my breath but it's about time we had somebody that knows his arse from his elbow. It's the least we deserve.

This is a good post.

The bit in bold is something I really agree with. As one of those poor sods, I too hope more than anything that one day we have a manager who is capable of building something great here. Lambert might still be that man, but it's unlikely based on the previous two seasons.

I am also one of those poor sods, and i completely agree with TSOV.

[pauliewalnuts]

The bit in bold is something I really agree with. As one of those poor sods, I too hope more than anything that one day we have a manager who is capable of building something great here. Lambert might still be that man, but it's unlikely based on the previous two seasons.

This isn't meant as a defence of Lambert, particularly, but there is a limit to how much we are ever going to improve whilst operating under tight financial controls.

And there is now a legal limit to how much we could improve the financial situation even if we had the cash.

[eamonn]

Good post Mark. I like Lambert but often feel similar about him to the way you've described. The best quality he's shown so far in charge as our manager is a dogged professionalism (followed closely by not having a bad eye for the transfer market).
I really expect a lot more than that from a Villa manager though. He's here now for the foreseeable so I just hope he can start to really impress us like he did the Norwich fans.

[Gareth]

How many games that we have won under Lambert have been anything other than 100mph / in their faces / hit on counter attack??

Still can't help but think he has absolutely nothing else in his tactical locker than that...hope I'm wrong but the evidence is pretty loaded.

Do we play 433?? 451?? 460?? 

4yr contract & it wasn't even April 1st

I'd still happily see him given the heave ho

[pauliewalnuts]

How many games that we have won under Lambert have been anything other than 100mph / in their faces / hit on counter attack??

Pretty much none - because when it comes to getting a team keeping the ball, passing it around, being confident with it, he has not got the first clue.

[Meanwood Villa]

Sack him. He's shit. That is all.

[Ads]

Who, Guzan, Cissokho or Huton? It would be unfair to give Alan the boot, as generally he defended well and looked threatening when getting forward.

[kippaxvilla2]

He wasn't being called tactically inept after the Liverpool win.

Re: Stoke City vs Aston Villa Post Match Thread
« Reply #186 on: August 17, 2014, 01:09:19 AM »QuoteModifyQuote from: WestleyArmsAV on August 17, 2014, 12:17:53 AM
Lambert haters very quiet today. Great day, love the Villa. Away fans immense today.

It's one win, a worse win than on the first day of last season.

I don't rate the guy as our manager and its going to take something monumental to change that view.

I'm delighted with the win obviously.  But I noticed he was back with crap like we were excellent comments and we had enough chances to win two games (we had two shots on target).

It's. a good solid start.  The back four looks miles better.  But lets see if we are still saying this in November when not out of the league cup via Lower league opposition and languishing in 13th ready to launch our challenge for 16th.

[Steve67]

After supporting Villa ever since I can remember, some 40 odd years, I feel truly apathetic towards the club at the moment. Lerner and Lambert have taken any enthusiasm I have for the love of football. Sky are also to blame, but Lerner and his clown of a Manager are destroying my club. If I did the same sort of job at work, and yes, I am a Manager, they would not be renewing my contract. How much longer do we have to endure this shit?