The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[not3bad]

Every March O'Neill's shortcomings made themselves painfully apparent, and his failure to acknowledge them fatally undermined all the good work that he did do.

What was even more annoying was that just before March 2010 he basically said "we'll do things differently this year", before doing exactly the same thing.

[Monty]

Every March O'Neill's shortcomings made themselves painfully apparent, and his failure to acknowledge them fatally undermined all the good work that he did do.

What was even more annoying was that just before March 2010 he basically said "we'll do things differently this year", before doing exactly the same thing.

He just didn't seem to think of football as a sport actually played in real life. He paid very little attention to any on-pitch evidence, and ploughed on in his usual way (the 4-4-2 addiction, power-and-pace, centre backs at right back) because that's how it's always been done. He thought about formations about as much as a rugby coach might - it was all settled.

[LeeB]

Also, this idea that football fans' expectations shouldn't rise with the ever increasing costs involved in supporting their club. Just turn up when the Premier League tells you to and support the millionaires wrecking your club in a family-friendly way so it looks good on TV, like good football fans. What an insult.

This is what makes my piss boil, especially when it's delivered by some freeloading tosspot who believes journalism to be an exercise in sycophantic arse licking of the 'stars'.

[ozzjim]

How on earth does he still have a job this morning? He has just lost to a newbie manager that has struggled to get points since he took over, but not just by a goal, by 4 goals to 1. This was the 5th defeat in 6, and we are now genuinely close to being relegated. I am stunned he is still in a job I really am. Should have gone this am and given the side and squad the chance of a bounce at the weekend.

[Toronto Villa]

We played Champions League wages under O'Neill and didn't have the football to match. We paid top six wages under Houllier and McLiesh and struggled with relegation until late April in the case of the former and went pretty close in the case of the latter.

What ever wages we appear to be paying, we still end up without value for money.

Unfortunately we paid those wages to a good number of players that didn't deserve them on hefty contracts. On top of that MON's insistence on playing the same players throughout the season we never could sustain our challenge. The next manager we hire needs to have a far more cerebral approach to finding and buying players, a systems and spending his budget in conjunction with using our academy. I'd much sooner we dip into our own talent pool than buy Jordan Bowery for example and save whatever that amounts to supplementing the wages of someone a little better. There needs to be far more thought given to the future.

[Clampy]

How on earth does he still have a job this morning? He has just lost to a newbie manager that has struggled to get points since he took over, but not just by a goal, by 4 goals to 1. This was the 5th defeat in 6, and we are now genuinely close to being relegated. I am stunned he is still in a job I really am. 

I'll be honest, so am I but it would be a bit unfair to put Sid in the position of keeping us up. No-one would blame him if we dropped of course but still he doesn't deserve the pressure.

[itbrvilla]

How on earth does he still have a job this morning? He has just lost to a newbie manager that has struggled to get points since he took over, but not just by a goal, by 4 goals to 1. This was the 5th defeat in 6, and we are now genuinely close to being relegated. I am stunned he is still in a job I really am. 

I'll be honest, so am I but it would be a bit unfair to put Sid in the position of keeping us up. No-one would blame him if we dropped of course but still he doesn't deserve the pressure.

Plus the the additional chaos and disarray the club will appear to be in will no doubt further motivate our relegation rivals.

[JUAN PABLO]

can we have Brian little , John Gregory and Ian Taylor in for the Hull game instead .

[SheffieldVillain]

can we have Brian little , John Gregory and Ian Taylor in for the Hull game instead .

I think John Gregory's current employers might be a bit annoyed about that!

[Meanwood Villa]

I really don't think there's anything to lose in getting rid of him now. The players aren't playing for him so I don't see how him fecking off will have a detrimental effect. We can't be any worse.

[Meanwood Villa]

Every March O'Neill's shortcomings made themselves painfully apparent, and his failure to acknowledge them fatally undermined all the good work that he did do.

What was even more annoying was that just before March 2010 he basically said "we'll do things differently this year", before doing exactly the same thing.

He just didn't seem to think of football as a sport actually played in real life. He paid very little attention to any on-pitch evidence, and ploughed on in his usual way (the 4-4-2 addiction, power-and-pace, centre backs at right back) because that's how it's always been done. He thought about formations about as much as a rugby coach might - it was all settled.

At the risk of opening new wounds- at least we won some bloody games when he was in charge! Right, that's all I'm saying on it.

EDIT - old wounds even

[Monty]

Every March O'Neill's shortcomings made themselves painfully apparent, and his failure to acknowledge them fatally undermined all the good work that he did do.

What was even more annoying was that just before March 2010 he basically said "we'll do things differently this year", before doing exactly the same thing.

He just didn't seem to think of football as a sport actually played in real life. He paid very little attention to any on-pitch evidence, and ploughed on in his usual way (the 4-4-2 addiction, power-and-pace, centre backs at right back) because that's how it's always been done. He thought about formations about as much as a rugby coach might - it was all settled.

At the risk of opening new wounds- at least we won some bloody games when he was in charge! Right, that's all I'm saying on it.

Then all I'll say is you'd hope to win a few games when you spend as much as he did.

[PaulWinch again]

Let's be honest it's pretty clear that short of punching Randy in the face, there is absolutely nothing that will result in Lambert being canned before the end of the season.

[pauliewalnuts]

Let's be honest it's pretty clear that short of punching Randy in the face, there is absolutely nothing that will result in Lambert being canned before the end of the season.

I think that's true, but thinking about it a bit more, it might be true with good reason.

What if he has negotiated a takeover deal and convinced our new foreign overlords that Lambert is an excellent manager?

On Saturday night, I was of the opinion that sacking Lambert there and then would probably improve things - his absence causing fewer problems than his presence - but having thought about it, I think the extra chaos of doing it now would outweigh the advantages, so I'd be inclined to leave him in place.

It is only three games, and although I am far from convinced we are safe, a point or three from Hull will do it, and, to be entirely honest, if we can't manage that against a team only marginally less shit than we are, then we deserve to get relegated.

[Phil from the upper holte]

Leave him for now I agree with Paulie, will do no good getting rid now