The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[aj2k77]

Lambert isn't good enough to work at a club this size under constraints. If it were a Wigan, he'd be getting commended for having them out of the relegation zone, but we aren't a Wigan and expect more than season after season of just avoiding relegation. That would be his level ,we are at least 1 step above it.

A club where every single piddling point is celebrated like a cup victory would be more his level, a 0-0 at home against Southampton, South fucking Hampton would be cherished as another battling display on the way to the promised land of 38pts. It used to be 40pts but we're too shit even for that anymore.

[olaftab]

I still refuse to join the Lambert out brigade because I don't think it's entirely his fault. Even Mr Lerner has acknowledged that. We are indeed being prepared for sale and the spinning coin of a gamble is about to land.

OK I hear what your are saying however Lambert accepted the task with constraints. He then set on a course to keep us in the PL and sell seats and season tickets. So far his results have been miserable with record after record being overturned in a negative way. Only the loyalty of us supporters have kept attendances and ST's at a reasonable level. So having accepted the responsibility it is entirely his fault. Clearly if the constraints were too great he should have squealed a long time ago and possibly resigned.

[dl9]

I still refuse to join the Lambert out brigade because I don't think it's entirely his fault. Even Mr Lerner has acknowledged that. We are indeed being prepared for sale and the spinning coin of a gamble is about to land.

OK I hear what your are saying however Lambert accepted the task with constraints. He then set on a course to keep us in the PL and sell seats and season tickets. So far his results have been miserable with record after record being overturned in a negative way. Only the loyalty of us supporters have kept attendances and ST's at a reasonable level. So having accepted the responsibility it is entirely his fault. Clearly if the constraints were too great he should have squealed a long time ago and possibly resigned.

Lambert has had long enough, this is his team and it has gone backwards, constraints or no constraints as we were shite when he took over.

[Chris Smith]

Lambert isn't good enough to work at a club this size under constraints. If it were a Wigan, he'd be getting commended for having them out of the relegation zone, but we aren't a Wigan and expect more than season after season of just avoiding relegation. That would be his level ,we are at least 1 step above it.

A club where every single piddling point is celebrated like a cup victory would be more his level, a 0-0 at home against Southampton, South fucking Hampton would be cherished as another battling display on the way to the promised land of 38pts. It used to be 40pts but we're too shit even for that anymore.

You might be right, but I think the way we are structured as a club at the moment pretty much assures us of a bottom half finish and with a couple of serious injuries puts us in danger of relegation.

Lerner said it unequivocally in the week, Lambert is working to his instructions. If we had kept key players fit we would probably be in a comfortable mid table position but the enforced policy of buying only players who do not demand high wages means we have little resilience in the squad. As has been clearly demonstrated in recent weeks, it is a strategy fraught with risk and unless it changes one that will inevitably eventually takes us down.

[WarszaVillan]

Resilience is the key here. I didn't think we played too badly at times yesterday and passed the ball quite well. But you knew what was coming - it has an inevitability about it. If we'd added a couple of strong experienced midfielders and defenders into that squad it'd be comfortably mid-table. But we haven't and from the top down it looks shattered and devoid of confidence and ideas. Whatever happens I don't see any future for Lambert, and I've been a strong supporter of his.

[aj2k77]

Lambert isn't good enough to work at a club this size under constraints. If it were a Wigan, he'd be getting commended for having them out of the relegation zone, but we aren't a Wigan and expect more than season after season of just avoiding relegation. That would be his level ,we are at least 1 step above it.

A club where every single piddling point is celebrated like a cup victory would be more his level, a 0-0 at home against Southampton, South fucking Hampton would be cherished as another battling display on the way to the promised land of 38pts. It used to be 40pts but we're too shit even for that anymore.

You might be right, but I think the way we are structured as a club at the moment pretty much assures us of a bottom half finish and with a couple of serious injuries puts us in danger of relegation.

Lerner said it unequivocally in the week, Lambert is working to his instructions. If we had kept key players fit we would probably be in a comfortable mid table position but the enforced policy of buying only players who do not demand high wages means we have little resilience in the squad. As has been clearly demonstrated in recent weeks, it is a strategy fraught with risk and unless it changes one that will inevitably eventually takes us down.

We have looked just as poor with Benteke in the side. He is the one player we do have of turning a game on it's head though, Norwich being one example of a game that probably would have gone the same way as the rest lately if not for his brilliance. Okore, I doubt he'd be as bad as the two chuckle brother we have alternating as partners for Vlaar. So yeah, I take on board we'd almost definitely be a few points better off without injuries, but every one has injuries and even when we haven't we've looked rubbish anyway and I put that firmly at the managers door.

Don't get me wrong, I think the main problem now is Lerner, he must go this summer or next season we will go down but Lambert is completely at fault for the way he has us non playing football. This is the worst I've watched since 88.

[aj2k77]

Resilience is the key here. I didn't think we played too badly at times yesterday and passed the ball quite well. But you knew what was coming - it has an inevitability about it. If we'd added a couple of strong experienced midfielders and defenders into that squad it'd be comfortably mid-table. But we haven't and from the top down it looks shattered and devoid of confidence and ideas. Whatever happens I don't see any future for Lambert, and I've been a strong supporter of his.

January was a fuck up. Another left back in and Grant Holt. At the start of the season you'd say the last thing we shoud be looking for in January to push us on would be another left back and Grant Holt.

[Ian.]

I actually feel for Lambert. He's done his very best under these restrictions, but now it's gone so horribly wrong I see no way back for him. It's not all down to him, hes had rotten luck along the way with injuries and internal  issues. I know he's made mistakes as well but he might have gotten away with it if he had an ounce of luck on his side. I'm positive and he might even come back a better manager for it elsewhere. It was a task beyond him and probably beyond most mangers. We'll stay up, just this season with a bit of luck but it's time for change, again.

[dl9]

I actually feel for Lambert. He's done his very best under these restrictions, but now it's gone so horribly wrong I see no way back for him. It's not all down to him, hes had rotten luck along the way with injuries and internal  issues. I know he's made mistakes as well but he might have gotten away with it if he had an ounce of luck on his side. I'm positive and he might even come back a better manager for it elsewhere. It was a task beyond him and probably beyond most mangers. We'll stay up, just this season with a bit of luck but it's time for change, again.

I don't feel for Lambert at all. It has been said before on this thread that we should exit him now and put Sid in charge for the last game, how much worse could it be? Would Moyes' side have beaten Norwich 4-0 yesterday?  (Would they bollox)  Get behind the team irrespective next Saturday, however I'd wager the air would be more positive with Sid leading them out.

[DB]

I still refuse to join the Lambert out brigade because I don't think it's entirely his fault. Even Mr Lerner has acknowledged that. We are indeed being prepared for sale and the spinning coin of a gamble is about to land.

OK I hear what your are saying however Lambert accepted the task with constraints. He then set on a course to keep us in the PL and sell seats and season tickets. So far his results have been miserable with record after record being overturned in a negative way. Only the loyalty of us supporters have kept attendances and ST's at a reasonable level. So having accepted the responsibility it is entirely his fault. Clearly if the constraints were too great he should have squealed a long time ago and possibly resigned.

He may have accepted the constraints but looks like he can't deliver under them... Let's face it, he was at Norwich and a club like the Villa comes knocking, would you turn it down?
You do wonder if he was promised more once we were more stable financially - don't think Randy is interested. That said IMO Lambert will be gone at end of the season.

[ozzjim]

There were players he could have got in Jan. Dann would've been much better than Baker, Ince on loan would have given us creative options at least.

[mr underhill]

I don't feel for Lambert at all. The man is rewarded like he was Croesus and has done absolutely nothing to deserve such largesse. Something will  happen as soon as the season finishes. The owner either announces he is looking to sell the club/attract additional investment and we hope some individual/consortium with more business acumen steps in, or RL confirms he is  continuing as sole owner whilst hopefully acknowledging that a step up in investment is needed, together  with a complete shake-up of the club's board and management structure.  Inept though Randy undoubtedly is, even he cannot help but see that we simply can't go on as we have since 2010, and I can't believe he is now so indifferent to such a significant investment that he is prepared to see it, and its value, plunge into the abyss of the Championship and beyond.

[silhillvilla]

Sorry but I have zero sympathy for Lambert.

[David_Nab]

There were players he could have got in Jan. Dann would've been much better than Baker, Ince on loan would have given us creative options at least.

If he hadn't had to get ANOTHER LB in to cover the first 2 that would of free'd a loan spot up too !!

[VinnieChase84]

Sorry but I have zero sympathy for Lambert.

Spot on. Plus he's fed us shit for two years then contradicts himself.
When we were grinding out results but poor performances and stats, lambert was bleating on about how results only matter, well now were getting zero results and being battered, he's suddenly on about good spells of play/possession and being unlucky.
The man has in 2 years broken almost every terrible record.
Only this seasons he's overseen our Worst home record ever, most defeats in a season and his personal favourite of us getting dumped out a cup by lower league opposition.
I know he's not the only problem but by god he is certainly a huge factor.
He can't go quick enough for me