The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[mr underhill]

disagree completely there is nothing to suggest he's been backed. twisted logic my arse. sid's the coach and Shay's the coach Lambert as we now know doesn't do coaching or tactics.

[supertom]

I actually see an improvement in form undermining him further as most will attribute it to the two S's

That is some twisted logic. it seems clear from everything I have read that the board are backing him, better results will just imply that the action yesterday has to an extent addressed the issue.

My worry is that we have players punching and catching the ball all over the pitch due to Given's coaching.

We'll have 11 players who don't come off the goal line.

[Concrete John]

I actually see an improvement in form undermining him further as most will attribute it to the two S's

That is some twisted logic. it seems clear from everything I have read that the board are backing him, better results will just imply that the action yesterday has to an extent addressed the issue.

My worry is that we have players punching and catching the ball all over the pitch due to Given's coaching.

We'll have 11 players who don't come off the goal line.

Sounds like TSM tactics.

[not3bad]

there is nothing to suggest he's been backed.

How accurate this is I don't know, but it certainly "suggests" he's been backed:

http://www.clubcall.com/aston-villa/villa-boss-receives-assurances-1721760.html?

[not3bad]

Anway I voted that Lambert should be sacked "In the summer, unless things improve between now and then".  If things do now improve I'm fine with him staying on.

[rob_bridge]

He deserves to be binned on results alone. No excuses.

Maybe this is where the worm turns so to speak.

I'd rather not sack him or rather I'd rather the replacement be recruited by people other than those who will be doing the recruitment.


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[not3bad]

Maybe this is a good time to reset the poll?

[supertom]

The one thing I think Lambert has had in his favour is his ability to motivate the players. On the whole during his tenure, whether we've looked tactically clueless or not, what we have done is worked very hard on the pitch. Certainly in the first half of the season we picked up a number of fortunate wins, if you think of City and Southampton for example. There was luck but the lads worked their bollocks off in those games.

I've said previously that if Lambert's not tactically minded, he needs a coaching set up that is, and can get us playing effective football. I felt he needed either better coaching team or perhaps a DOF to assist him.
Ironically I think the only times our side has looked like it's been wanting for effort under Lambert has been the last four games. I thought it may have been Lambo had lost the dressing room. It would seem the problem was Culverhouse and Karsa though. How popular Lambert is among his players remains to be seen. I guess the reaction in the next 5 games will tell us.

If we're going change the coaching set up next season, Lambert may well have one last stab to save his job. This next 5 games will tell us a lot. Finish on a high and Lambert may well be given one more stab with a new support network. Marshall was a decent appointment and made a difference. If he can get in a good team for next season then we might actually progress. At the same time his transfer policy must change. We need to sign quality, in the Tekkers, Vlaar level, and stop signing so many young punts. In addition our youth should come from our own academy and we need to make better use of it.

5 games to save your job Paul. If we beat 41 points, he's just about worth one more round, and it may prove the benefit of a new, more modern coaching set up.

[not3bad]

At the same time his transfer policy must change. We need to sign quality, in the Tekkers, Vlaar level, and stop signing so many young punts. In addition our youth should come from our own academy and we need to make better use of it.

Lambert seemed to be as good as admitting this last Friday, and having Cowans as a coach won't hurt the chances of the academy lads.

[Boz]

The one thing I think Lambert has had in his favour is his ability to motivate the players. On the whole during his tenure, whether we've looked tactically clueless or not, what we have done is worked very hard on the pitch. Certainly in the first half of the season we picked up a number of fortunate wins, if you think of City and Southampton for example. There was luck but the lads worked their bollocks off in those games.

I've said previously that if Lambert's not tactically minded, he needs a coaching set up that is, and can get us playing effective football. I felt he needed either better coaching team or perhaps a DOF to assist him.
Ironically I think the only times our side has looked like it's been wanting for effort under Lambert has been the last four games. I thought it may have been Lambo had lost the dressing room. It would seem the problem was Culverhouse and Karsa though. How popular Lambert is among his players remains to be seen. I guess the reaction in the next 5 games will tell us.

If we're going change the coaching set up next season, Lambert may well have one last stab to save his job. This next 5 games will tell us a lot. Finish on a high and Lambert may well be given one more stab with a new support network. Marshall was a decent appointment and made a difference. If he can get in a good team for next season then we might actually progress. At the same time his transfer policy must change. We need to sign quality, in the Tekkers, Vlaar level, and stop signing so many young punts. In addition our youth should come from our own academy and we need to make better use of it.

5 games to save your job Paul. If we beat 41 points, he's just about worth one more round, and it may prove the benefit of a new, more modern coaching set up.

I'd have to disagree about Lambert's ability to motivate players. The number of times our second half performance has been abysmal when they needed to step up has been too often.

Add this to the lack of tactical nous and strategy, is it any wonder we're in trouble.

[supertom]

The one thing I think Lambert has had in his favour is his ability to motivate the players. On the whole during his tenure, whether we've looked tactically clueless or not, what we have done is worked very hard on the pitch. Certainly in the first half of the season we picked up a number of fortunate wins, if you think of City and Southampton for example. There was luck but the lads worked their bollocks off in those games.

I've said previously that if Lambert's not tactically minded, he needs a coaching set up that is, and can get us playing effective football. I felt he needed either better coaching team or perhaps a DOF to assist him.
Ironically I think the only times our side has looked like it's been wanting for effort under Lambert has been the last four games. I thought it may have been Lambo had lost the dressing room. It would seem the problem was Culverhouse and Karsa though. How popular Lambert is among his players remains to be seen. I guess the reaction in the next 5 games will tell us.

If we're going change the coaching set up next season, Lambert may well have one last stab to save his job. This next 5 games will tell us a lot. Finish on a high and Lambert may well be given one more stab with a new support network. Marshall was a decent appointment and made a difference. If he can get in a good team for next season then we might actually progress. At the same time his transfer policy must change. We need to sign quality, in the Tekkers, Vlaar level, and stop signing so many young punts. In addition our youth should come from our own academy and we need to make better use of it.

5 games to save your job Paul. If we beat 41 points, he's just about worth one more round, and it may prove the benefit of a new, more modern coaching set up.

I'd have to disagree about Lambert's ability to motivate players. The number of times our second half performance has been abysmal when they needed to step up has been too often.

Add this to the lack of tactical nous and strategy, is it any wonder we're in trouble.

I wouldn't say the poor second halves were down to lack of effort. The boys (normally) expend a lot of energy, and all too often running around like headless chickens. Until recently I don't think they've been wanting for work-rate. If anything workrate has been the biggest factor in getting us the points on the board that we already have.
If we've rooted out these two as a problem that's effected the work rate and morale, then we might see an upturn.

That said, I don't think we'll see enough for Lambert to save his job and that doesn't disappoint me in the slightest.

[Holte L2]

Give Lambert another pre- season. See how things develop until Christmas.

[Walmley_Villa]

Give Lambert another pre- season. See how things develop until Christmas.

And risk the signing of more Tonev's and other dross? With Karsa off, any scouting reports he had he will probably have shredded now with will put us on the back foot in the transfer market straight away.

[ozzjim]

I want to see who he is bringing in coach wise and scouting wise. Karsa and Culverhouse had a big sway in recruitment apparently.

[Dante Lavelli]

I want to see who he is bringing in coach wise and scouting wise. Karsa and Culverhouse had a big sway in recruitment apparently.

Well I would not expect either Shay or Sid having a list of players to sign, which reinforces my thinking that this department should largely be controlled by a head-scout and separate to the manager.