The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[Legion]

I would tend to agree. He deserves a chance to (finally?) sort things out over the summer break and for the start of the season at least.

[sirlordbaltimore]

After two seasons of truly horrendous shite, why on earth would we want to give him more money to waste and more time to drag us backwards ?

I don't recall ANY of this 'lets give him more money/time' nonsense when McLeish was in charge. And he did just as bad (or good depending on how bad you think the job is being done) a job, if not slightly less depressing than Lambert's currently doing it.

[Clampy]

I would tend to agree. He deserves a chance to (finally?) sort things out over the summer break and for the start of the season at least.

I'm not sure about 'deserves' but I think that might be what will happen. They'll look at it, see the players we have coming back, players potentially coming in and let him have another crack at it. That said, it depends on what kind of end of season we have and what the season ticket renewal response is like.

[JUAN PABLO]

Given this a lot of thought over the past few days and although I can fully understand where those calling for Lambert to be sacked are coming from, I wouldn't go down that route just yet.  He's still a fairly inexperienced manager and although his two seasons at the club have been pretty poor, I would give him one last chance to prove that he has learnt from the experience (providing we stay up - if we go down he should be sacked immediately).  I would personally give him the first ten games of next season and see where we stand after that.       

exactly where we are now

So we start the season anticipating failure? I would end this in May and give any transfer funds we can muster to another manager. I have changed my mind a few times on Lambert but now think he has had long enough to have turned us around. Mind you, I can't see anybody doing any better if the guidance from the owner is to buy young and buy cheap.

After the Liverpool game , I went back to pro Lambert 60/40 for a while but that wore off quick . Even the Chavski win , I was still against .I was not convinced even thou I celebrated it like we had won the FA Cup , which is sad , then Palace did it too.
I went off him after the cup game , nail in the coffin for me .  I just cant see this working out for Lambert and Aston Villa.  Get rid in summer and look else where  or do anything in their power to get him from Soton . 



Looking at Lamberts 32% win rate in his two seasons . We would probably be on 11 points .

Him from Southampton spent quite a bit of money on individual players last summer.

Is he likely to want to leave Southampton to come to us?

just proves where we are at

[Clampy]

After two seasons of truly horrendous shite, why on earth would we want to give him more money to waste and more time to drag us backwards ?

I don't recall ANY of this 'lets give him more money/time' nonsense when McLeish was in charge. And he did just as bad (or good depending on how bad you think the job is being done) a job, if not slightly less depressing than Lambert's currently doing it.

The difference is McLeish didn't have the foresight to bring in the likes of Benteke, Kozak, Vlaar, Okore etc. He blew his money on N'Zogbia, Hutton and Given. We also played the kind of football which saw us create hardly any goalscoring chances.

[JUAN PABLO]

After two seasons of truly horrendous shite, why on earth would we want to give him more money to waste and more time to drag us backwards ?

I don't recall ANY of this 'lets give him more money/time' nonsense when McLeish was in charge. And he did just as bad (or good depending on how bad you think the job is being done) a job, if not slightly less depressing than Lambert's currently doing it.

The difference is McLeish didn't have the foresight to bring in the likes of Benteke, Kozak, Vlaar, Okore etc. He blew his money on N'Zogbia, Hutton and Given. We also played the kind of football which saw us create hardly any goalscoring chances.

true    but you would think Lambert would have a much better record than what  he is producing with the money he spent over two seasons .

thou I wasnt really against Nzogbia .I thought he would be ok .    But every Vlaar is their a Luna

[brian green]

Rant almost over but a typical instance of lack of support happened during the Fulham game in front of the Holte.  Baker made a bad mistake and we almost conceded a goal.  Ron Vlaar who is the team captain and the other central defender walked past Baker and blanked him.  It was left to Brad after the corner was cleared to go to Baker and have a word with him.  Baker had another stinker of a game but he appears to get worse not better.  Whose fault is that?

[mattjpa]

After two seasons of truly horrendous shite, why on earth would we want to give him more money to waste and more time to drag us backwards ?

I don't recall ANY of this 'lets give him more money/time' nonsense when McLeish was in charge. And he did just as bad (or good depending on how bad you think the job is being done) a job, if not slightly less depressing than Lambert's currently doing it.

The difference is McLeish didn't have the foresight to bring in the likes of Benteke, Kozak, Vlaar, Okore etc. He blew his money on N'Zogbia, Hutton and Given. We also played the kind of football which saw us create hardly any goalscoring chances.

3 Players who I dont think did badly for us to be fair. They are only spoken about in derisory terms because they were bombed out by the current regime and are now a symbol of the terrible way our club has been run. Just because the stubborn mule of a manager we have now couldnt get the best out of them does not mean they were bad signings

[Toronto Villa]

I would tend to agree. He deserves a chance to (finally?) sort things out over the summer break and for the start of the season at least.

I'm not sure about 'deserves' but I think that might be what will happen. They'll look at it, see the players we have coming back, players potentially coming in and let him have another crack at it. That said, it depends on what kind of end of season we have and what the season ticket renewal response is like.

I think that's what will happen if he somehow manages to stabilise the ship in the last 6 games. It's going to be tough to justify keeping this going if the last 6 games are rough. I've been in his corner all along but he needs to start repaying some of the faith many Villa fans have shown in him. Not saying that's going to happen by way of the next 6 games but it will restore a little faith if there is some evidence of improvement.

[Clampy]

After two seasons of truly horrendous shite, why on earth would we want to give him more money to waste and more time to drag us backwards ?

I don't recall ANY of this 'lets give him more money/time' nonsense when McLeish was in charge. And he did just as bad (or good depending on how bad you think the job is being done) a job, if not slightly less depressing than Lambert's currently doing it.

The difference is McLeish didn't have the foresight to bring in the likes of Benteke, Kozak, Vlaar, Okore etc. He blew his money on N'Zogbia, Hutton and Given. We also played the kind of football which saw us create hardly any goalscoring chances.

true    but you would think Lambert would have a much better record than what  he is producing with the money he spent over two seasons .

thou I wasnt really against Nzogbia .I thought he would be ok .    But every Vlaar is their a Luna

I think some of the criticism of Luna has been harsh. People were saying similar things about Vlaar last season.

[Ads]

Rant almost over but a typical instance of lack of support happened during the Fulham game in front of the Holte.  Baker made a bad mistake and we almost conceded a goal.  Ron Vlaar who is the team captain and the other central defender walked past Baker and blanked him. 

No he didn't, both Baker and Vlaar had a chat, with Guzan chipping in from a yard away too. Lots of nodding going on.

[JUAN PABLO]

After two seasons of truly horrendous shite, why on earth would we want to give him more money to waste and more time to drag us backwards ?

I don't recall ANY of this 'lets give him more money/time' nonsense when McLeish was in charge. And he did just as bad (or good depending on how bad you think the job is being done) a job, if not slightly less depressing than Lambert's currently doing it.

The difference is McLeish didn't have the foresight to bring in the likes of Benteke, Kozak, Vlaar, Okore etc. He blew his money on N'Zogbia, Hutton and Given. We also played the kind of football which saw us create hardly any goalscoring chances.

true    but you would think Lambert would have a much better record than what  he is producing with the money he spent over two seasons .

thou I wasnt really against Nzogbia .I thought he would be ok .    But every Vlaar is their a Luna

I think some of the criticism of Luna has been harsh. People were saying similar things about Vlaar last season.

he is no better than warnock  and warnock became awful .   maybe needs a second season but most the players have gone backwards in lamberts second season.

I thought we had signed Roberto Carlos after the Arse game

[Mister E]

Davis's problems were there for anybody with eyes to see.  He needed good coaching.  He did not get it from us, he got it elsewhere.  Same goes for a favourite scapegoat at VP Barry Bannan and will doubtless apply when Charles NZogbia puts on an Everton shirt.  My beef with Lambert is not really with him individually it is with the poor levels of coaching which result in young players in whom we have invested so much not being brought on. Whether Lambert stays or not, whether we get relegated or not you can be one hundred percent certain our bomb squad disposals will do better elsewhere.  One or two probably very much better.

Like our home form, this seeming inability to exploit the output from our vaunted academy is a long-term problem. Lambert has simply not reversed these trends.
Where is the robust, long-term, credible football strategy for the club? - that is the real challenge; the rest are symptoms.

[walsall villain]

Davis's problems were there for anybody with eyes to see.  He needed good coaching.  He did not get it from us, he got it elsewhere.  Same goes for a favourite scapegoat at VP Barry Bannan and will doubtless apply when Charles NZogbia puts on an Everton shirt.  My beef with Lambert is not really with him individually it is with the poor levels of coaching which result in young players in whom we have invested so much not being brought on. Whether Lambert stays or not, whether we get relegated or not you can be one hundred percent certain our bomb squad disposals will do better elsewhere.  One or two probably very much better.

NZogbia had a really good season at Wigan, perhaps that was down to the managers tactics and man management? Very patchy at best for us and Newcastle. Bent has done nothing at Fulham. Pulis took five minutes to decide Bannan wasn't what he was looking for and Ireland has shown glimpses and has seemingly improved at Stoke. What makes you think any more we let go will do better? I was only thinking that in recent seasons only our best ex players have stood out, like Milner and Barry. Some surprised me...... Downing was and still is crap and Young hasn't improved at United.

[Chris Smith]

Davis's problems were there for anybody with eyes to see.  He needed good coaching.  He did not get it from us, he got it elsewhere.  Same goes for a favourite scapegoat at VP Barry Bannan and will doubtless apply when Charles NZogbia puts on an Everton shirt.  My beef with Lambert is not really with him individually it is with the poor levels of coaching which result in young players in whom we have invested so much not being brought on. Whether Lambert stays or not, whether we get relegated or not you can be one hundred percent certain our bomb squad disposals will do better elsewhere.  One or two probably very much better.

Like our home form, this seeming inability to exploit the output from our vaunted academy is a long-term problem. Lambert has simply not reversed these trends.
Where is the robust, long-term, credible football strategy for the club? - that is the real challenge; the rest are symptoms.

I think this is a symptom of the revolving door policy with managers. Those that are liked by one barely get a look in with his replacement. It is impossible to have any long term vision when those making the decisions have no long term prospects.