The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[Billy Walker]

Given this a lot of thought over the past few days and although I can fully understand where those calling for Lambert to be sacked are coming from, I wouldn't go down that route just yet.  He's still a fairly inexperienced manager and although his two seasons at the club have been pretty poor, I would give him one last chance to prove that he has learnt from the experience (providing we stay up - if we go down he should be sacked immediately).  I would personally give him the first ten games of next season and see where we stand after that.       

exactly where we are now

So we start the season anticipating failure? I would end this in May and give any transfer funds we can muster to another manager. I have changed my mind a few times on Lambert but now think he has had long enough to have turned us around. Mind you, I can't see anybody doing any better if the guidance from the owner is to buy young and buy cheap.

After the Liverpool game , I went back to pro Lambert 60/40 for a while but that wore off quick . Even the Chavski win , I was still against .I was not convinced even thou I celebrated it like we had won the FA Cup , which is sad , then Palace did it too.
I went off him after the cup game , nail in the coffin for me .  I just cant see this working out for Lambert and Aston Villa.  Get rid in summer and look else where  or do anything in their power to get him from Soton . 



Looking at Lamberts 32% win rate in his two seasons . We would probably be on 11 points .

Him from Southampton spent quite a bit of money on individual players last summer.

[JUAN PABLO]

Given this a lot of thought over the past few days and although I can fully understand where those calling for Lambert to be sacked are coming from, I wouldn't go down that route just yet.  He's still a fairly inexperienced manager and although his two seasons at the club have been pretty poor, I would give him one last chance to prove that he has learnt from the experience (providing we stay up - if we go down he should be sacked immediately).  I would personally give him the first ten games of next season and see where we stand after that.       

exactly where we are now

So we start the season anticipating failure? I would end this in May and give any transfer funds we can muster to another manager. I have changed my mind a few times on Lambert but now think he has had long enough to have turned us around. Mind you, I can't see anybody doing any better if the guidance from the owner is to buy young and buy cheap.

After the Liverpool game , I went back to pro Lambert 60/40 for a while but that wore off quick . Even the Chavski win , I was still against .I was not convinced even thou I celebrated it like we had won the FA Cup , which is sad , then Palace did it too.
I went off him after the cup game , nail in the coffin for me .  I just cant see this working out for Lambert and Aston Villa.  Get rid in summer and look else where  or do anything in their power to get him from Soton . 



Looking at Lamberts 32% win rate in his two seasons . We would probably be on 11 points .

Him from Southampton spent quite a bit of money on individual players last summer.

He still knows how to get the team to play football , even the players that were already there and the ones that did not cost alot.

Their has to be similar managers out there .   If Lambert managed Soton do you think he would get them to play as good as they do ?

[supertom]

Given this a lot of thought over the past few days and although I can fully understand where those calling for Lambert to be sacked are coming from, I wouldn't go down that route just yet.  He's still a fairly inexperienced manager and although his two seasons at the club have been pretty poor, I would give him one last chance to prove that he has learnt from the experience (providing we stay up - if we go down he should be sacked immediately).  I would personally give him the first ten games of next season and see where we stand after that.       

exactly where we are now

So we start the season anticipating failure? I would end this in May and give any transfer funds we can muster to another manager. I have changed my mind a few times on Lambert but now think he has had long enough to have turned us around. Mind you, I can't see anybody doing any better if the guidance from the owner is to buy young and buy cheap.

After the Liverpool game , I went back to pro Lambert 60/40 for a while but that wore off quick . Even the Chavski win , I was still against .I was not convinced even thou I celebrated it like we had won the FA Cup , which is sad , then Palace did it too.
I went off him after the cup game , nail in the coffin for me .  I just cant see this working out for Lambert and Aston Villa.  Get rid in summer and look else where  or do anything in their power to get him from Soton . 



Looking at Lamberts 32% win rate in his two seasons . We would probably be on 11 points .

Him from Southampton spent quite a bit of money on individual players last summer.

He still knows how to get the team to play football , even the players that were already there and the ones that did not cost alot.

Their has to be similar managers out there .   If Lambert managed Soton do you think he would get them to play as good as they do ?

Absolutely not. Lets face it, our old boy Davis is a regular and he's an average player at best (granted I'd love to have him back because average is better than most of our players). They're best players are also the ones who came up with them and/or through their ranks, like Shaw, Lallana etc. They've spent a bit but not a huge amount in Prem terms.
Lambert certainly couldn't do what Pochettino has done. No chance.

[tomd2103]

Given this a lot of thought over the past few days and although I can fully understand where those calling for Lambert to be sacked are coming from, I wouldn't go down that route just yet.  He's still a fairly inexperienced manager and although his two seasons at the club have been pretty poor, I would give him one last chance to prove that he has learnt from the experience (providing we stay up - if we go down he should be sacked immediately).  I would personally give him the first ten games of next season and see where we stand after that.       

exactly where we are now

So we start the season anticipating failure? I would end this in May and give any transfer funds we can muster to another manager. I have changed my mind a few times on Lambert but now think he has had long enough to have turned us around. Mind you, I can't see anybody doing any better if the guidance from the owner is to buy young and buy cheap.

After the Liverpool game , I went back to pro Lambert 60/40 for a while but that wore off quick . Even the Chavski win , I was still against .I was not convinced even thou I celebrated it like we had won the FA Cup , which is sad , then Palace did it too.
I went off him after the cup game , nail in the coffin for me .  I just cant see this working out for Lambert and Aston Villa.  Get rid in summer and look else where  or do anything in their power to get him from Soton . 



Looking at Lamberts 32% win rate in his two seasons . We would probably be on 11 points .

Him from Southampton spent quite a bit of money on individual players last summer.

Is he likely to want to leave Southampton to come to us?

[saunders_heroes]

Given this a lot of thought over the past few days and although I can fully understand where those calling for Lambert to be sacked are coming from, I wouldn't go down that route just yet.  He's still a fairly inexperienced manager and although his two seasons at the club have been pretty poor, I would give him one last chance to prove that he has learnt from the experience (providing we stay up - if we go down he should be sacked immediately).  I would personally give him the first ten games of next season and see where we stand after that.       

exactly where we are now

So we start the season anticipating failure? I would end this in May and give any transfer funds we can muster to another manager. I have changed my mind a few times on Lambert but now think he has had long enough to have turned us around. Mind you, I can't see anybody doing any better if the guidance from the owner is to buy young and buy cheap.

After the Liverpool game , I went back to pro Lambert 60/40 for a while but that wore off quick . Even the Chavski win , I was still against .I was not convinced even thou I celebrated it like we had won the FA Cup , which is sad , then Palace did it too.
I went off him after the cup game , nail in the coffin for me .  I just cant see this working out for Lambert and Aston Villa.  Get rid in summer and look else where  or do anything in their power to get him from Soton . 



Looking at Lamberts 32% win rate in his two seasons . We would probably be on 11 points .

Him from Southampton spent quite a bit of money on individual players last summer.

Is he likely to want to leave Southampton to come to us?

Not with Lerner's penny pinching he wouldn't. If he ever came to his senses and started to invest again of course he'd come. It's bloody Southampton for crying out loud. Show some ambition, Villa!

[brian green]

Davis's problems were there for anybody with eyes to see.  He needed good coaching.  He did not get it from us, he got it elsewhere.  Same goes for a favourite scapegoat at VP Barry Bannan and will doubtless apply when Charles NZogbia puts on an Everton shirt.  My beef with Lambert is not really with him individually it is with the poor levels of coaching which result in young players in whom we have invested so much not being brought on. Whether Lambert stays or not, whether we get relegated or not you can be one hundred percent certain our bomb squad disposals will do better elsewhere.  One or two probably very much better.

[BoskoDjembaSalifou]

Alright then, let's give Lambert another chance to relegate us.

No, thanks. Sack him and get a coach from abroad who's use to working on a small budget.

[sirlordbaltimore]

In a couple of years from now, I fully expect Uwe Rosler to be a young manager in demand.

[brian green]

I also should have added a word of defence for young players like Baker, Clark, Herd, Weimann, Albrighton, Fonz, yes even the hate figure who is Bowery being flung into shit or bust games with no leadership captaincy or mature support to call on.  What a horrible four years it has been for a young player to pull on a Villa shirt for the first time.

[sirlordbaltimore]

I also should have added a word of defence for young players like Baker, Clark, Herd, Weimann, Albrighton, Fonz, yes even the hate figure who is Bowery being flung into shit or bust games with no leadership captaincy or mature support to call on.  What a horrible four years it has been for a young player to pull on a Villa shirt for the first time.

Agreed, but we know who's to blame for that

[Chris Smith]

In a couple of years from now, I fully expect Uwe Rosler to be a young manager in demand.

Maybe, or maybe he will go the way of many others proclaimed as the 'next big thing'. I have given up trying to predict as so many start off looking like the next big thing only to fade after a bright start.

While there are clearly some very talented people, where their ability transcends circumstance, in many cases it comes down to luck with signings, injuries, finance etc and just being in the right place at the right time.

[Dr Butler]

Alright then, let's give Lambert another chance to relegate us.

No, thanks. Sack him and get a coach from abroad who's use to working on a small budget.

and probably has no idea about the Premiership and then when that does not work out sack him too.......to be fair I am not sure what the answer is either.

I would give Lambert until November and if things are not going well then get someone else in..

[Dante Lavelli]

Is he likely to want to leave Southampton to come to us?

Their last set of financial results suggest they owe quite a lot of money.  Add in the chairman leaving and the woman who inherited the club not being a fan of football then there is definitely potential for turmoil.  Haven't they also just appointed a NHL coach in some capacity too.

None of which suggests that he'd come to Villa but it does highlight that they've over-spent and therefore will have to adjust in the future.  Arguably we are further ahead in that 'flushing out' process however Southampton would struggle to mess it up as much as we have i.e. they could just sell Shaw and be back in the black again.

[sirlordbaltimore]

Is he likely to want to leave Southampton to come to us?

Their last set of financial results suggest they owe quite a lot of money.  Add in the chairman leaving and the woman who inherited the club not being a fan of football then there is definitely potential for turmoil.  Haven't they also just appointed a NHL coach in some capacity too.

Didn't our last set of accounts show another huge loss (70m was it?) and we also have an owner that doesn't even bother to attend games anymore. Not much difference is there ?

[Chris Smith]

Alright then, let's give Lambert another chance to relegate us.

No, thanks. Sack him and get a coach from abroad who's use to working on a small budget.

and probably has no idea about the Premiership and then when that does not work out sack him too.......to be fair I am not sure what the answer is either.

I would give Lambert until November and if things are not going well then get someone else in..

To me that seems the most pragmatic approach.