The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[dicedlam]

we cant have Palace doing the double too . Expect a freakish 3-1 Villa win .

You see this is what does it for me. I really do expect a freakish 3-1 win like you say, but again, the inconsistency is the very problem that puzzles me.

FWIW, I think the structure of the management team is fractured, whereby, Its very much a ''you get on with your job and I'll get on with mine'' mentality. This was also very evident under the MON years. I believe that due to the inexperience of Lerner & Faulkner (on all things to do with playing matters), they are far less inclined to challenge a situation on something they know very little about. Thereby, complacency sets in when not being held to task.
Christ, How many times have we heard over the last couple of seasons Lambert saying ''I spoke to Randy on the telephone after the game/last week'' Whats all that about? Is he not answerable to his immediate reporting line which would be Faulkner I guess? or does he have too? and if he only goes directly to Lerner, how can he get the correct feel of whats going on when he is being force fed the same bollocks by Lambert as we are?

Yes, Lambert should go, only because I believe he and his coaching staff are not up to modern day technical standards required in the premier league/Europe.
But the real problem for me is the inability of the owner/CEO to recognise it.

[Dave]

The current winner (quite comfortably) is for him to be sacked in the summer regardless of what happens between now and then.

It's the only one I can't see any logic for. Surely if nothing can change the fact that he should be sacked, why not just do it now? We're not really at risk of being relegated so why not just get rid?

I understand the arguments for any of the other choices, maybe somebody can explain this one.

[Monty]

The current winner (quite comfortably) is for him to be sacked in the summer regardless of what happens between now and then.

It's the only one I can't see any logic for. Surely if nothing can change the fact that he should be sacked, why not just do it now? We're not really at risk of being relegated so why not just get rid?

I understand the arguments for any of the other choices, maybe somebody can explain this one.

It is just possible that sacking him now would create a spiral of misery in the dressing room. I buy the stability argument with 6 games of the season to go. However, I can't realistically conceive of an improvement drastic enough in those six games to justify not needing a fresh start in the summer.

[dicedlam]

The current winner (quite comfortably) is for him to be sacked in the summer regardless of what happens between now and then.

It's the only one I can't see any logic for. Surely if nothing can change the fact that he should be sacked, why not just do it now? We're not really at risk of being relegated so why not just get rid?

I understand the arguments for any of the other choices, maybe somebody can explain this one.

It is not the Randy way though is it?
I'm sure he doesn't want anybody thinking that he is trigger happy and not a very nice owner to work for..

[Dave]

The current winner (quite comfortably) is for him to be sacked in the summer regardless of what happens between now and then.

It's the only one I can't see any logic for. Surely if nothing can change the fact that he should be sacked, why not just do it now? We're not really at risk of being relegated so why not just get rid?

I understand the arguments for any of the other choices, maybe somebody can explain this one.

It is just possible that sacking him now would create a spiral of misery in the dressing room. I buy the stability argument with 6 games of the season to go. However, I can't realistically conceive of an improvement drastic enough in those six games to justify not needing a fresh start in the summer.

If we had say, four fewer points then I'd probably agree. But I don't really see stability really having a massive impact on whether we only pick up two more points or ten more points.

[Damo70]

I am not totally convinced we are safe. I think we need at least another four points. And whilst we are all aware that this Villa side can give us a pleasant surprise on occasions, so soon after yesterday it is hard to feel optimistic.

[supertom]

The current winner (quite comfortably) is for him to be sacked in the summer regardless of what happens between now and then.

It's the only one I can't see any logic for. Surely if nothing can change the fact that he should be sacked, why not just do it now? We're not really at risk of being relegated so why not just get rid?

I understand the arguments for any of the other choices, maybe somebody can explain this one.

It is just possible that sacking him now would create a spiral of misery in the dressing room. I buy the stability argument with 6 games of the season to go. However, I can't realistically conceive of an improvement drastic enough in those six games to justify not needing a fresh start in the summer.

I think as well, deep down we all suspect that Lambert won't be going anywhere. Keeping us up, regardless of how useless we look in most of our games, will be satisfactory in the boards eyes.

[Monty]

The current winner (quite comfortably) is for him to be sacked in the summer regardless of what happens between now and then.

It's the only one I can't see any logic for. Surely if nothing can change the fact that he should be sacked, why not just do it now? We're not really at risk of being relegated so why not just get rid?

I understand the arguments for any of the other choices, maybe somebody can explain this one.

It is just possible that sacking him now would create a spiral of misery in the dressing room. I buy the stability argument with 6 games of the season to go. However, I can't realistically conceive of an improvement drastic enough in those six games to justify not needing a fresh start in the summer.

If we had say, four fewer points then I'd probably agree. But I don't really see stability really having a massive impact on whether we only pick up two more points or ten more points.

That's fair, I just don't think the margin for error is great enough take the risk.

[Dave]

I am not totally convinced we are safe. I think we need at least another four points.

That would mean we need 38 points.

For Norwich to hit 38 points they would need to beat at least one and probably two of Man Utd, Chelsea, Liverpool and Arsenal AND at least one of Fulham, Cardiff or Sunderland winning four of their remaining five matches (five of their remaining eight in Sunderland's case).

That's without taking into account Swansea and West Brom.

I can't how the above is suddenly going to happen. A couple of rubbish draws (probably Swansea and Hull) and we'll wheeze comfortably over the line.

[caster troy]

My gut feeling is he will be here next season, even if we go down. That is the most depressing thing.

If I thought he was a dead man walking I'd be really looking forward to next season, a new manager, a fresh start, not knowing what to expect. Instead I'm not just waiting for this season to be over, I'm waiting for the Lambert era to be over and that could be another miserable year on top of this.

[john e]

If we carry on like we are and finnish the season in disastrous mode,
he'll be gone

Loads of people said Mcliesh was here for the long term and wasn't going anywhere,
But when things go so far, and I feel we are nearly there, Randy will pull the plug

I've always said he won't sack him while we are safely nestled in the mid table , but we are slowly dropping with ever worse performances so the writing could be on the wall

[supertom]

If we carry on like we are and finnish the season in disastrous mode,
he'll be gone

Loads of people said Mcliesh was here for the long term and wasn't going anywhere,
But when things go so far, and I feel we are nearly there, Randy will pull the plug

I've always said he won't sack him while we are safely nestled in the mid table , but we are slowly dropping with ever worse performances so the writing could be on the wall

I hope this is true, but I just wonder whether the money Randy has forked out to get rid of O Neill, Houllier and McLeish will affect his trigger finger on Lambert. I just think with the books still not quite balanced, and that seeming to be the be all and end all of Randy's ambition now, that Lambert will stay (possibly even if he took us down).

If we crawl over the line this year (again) I'd actually be more inclined to think that Randy will give Lambert his new deal, as opposed to sacking him. That's what my gut tells me. Though that might be the full English (much needed) repeating on me.

Hope I'm wrong. I just don't think Lambert has another level in him. The best we can hope for is treading water and eventually we'll go down.

[JUAN PABLO]

Culverhouse gets off things too lightly too .   The coaching set up is awful.

I heard Lambert say we can not defend like that

You have been saying this all season !!!!!

[john e]

If we carry on like we are and finnish the season in disastrous mode,
he'll be gone

Loads of people said Mcliesh was here for the long term and wasn't going anywhere,
But when things go so far, and I feel we are nearly there, Randy will pull the plug

I've always said he won't sack him while we are safely nestled in the mid table , but we are slowly dropping with ever worse performances so the writing could be on the wall

I hope this is true, but I just wonder whether the money Randy has forked out to get rid of O Neill, Houllier and McLeish will affect his trigger finger on Lambert. I just think with the books still not quite balanced, and that seeming to be the be all and end all of Randy's ambition now, that Lambert will stay (possibly even if he took us down).

If we crawl over the line this year (again) I'd actually be more inclined to think that Randy will give Lambert his new deal, as opposed to sacking him. That's what my gut tells me. Though that might be the full English (much needed) repeating on me.

Hope I'm wrong. I just don't think Lambert has another level in him. The best we can hope for is treading water and eventually we'll go down.

Having said that if we pick up 7-10 points out of are remaining games he won't be sacked
Best hope for those who want him out is that we limp over the finish line with a few more dire performances but just manage to stay up

[JUAN PABLO]

If we carry on like we are and finnish the season in disastrous mode,
he'll be gone

Loads of people said Mcliesh was here for the long term and wasn't going anywhere,
But when things go so far, and I feel we are nearly there, Randy will pull the plug

I've always said he won't sack him while we are safely nestled in the mid table , but we are slowly dropping with ever worse performances so the writing could be on the wall

I hope this is true, but I just wonder whether the money Randy has forked out to get rid of O Neill, Houllier and McLeish will affect his trigger finger on Lambert. I just think with the books still not quite balanced, and that seeming to be the be all and end all of Randy's ambition now, that Lambert will stay (possibly even if he took us down).

If we crawl over the line this year (again) I'd actually be more inclined to think that Randy will give Lambert his new deal, as opposed to sacking him. That's what my gut tells me. Though that might be the full English (much needed) repeating on me.

Hope I'm wrong. I just don't think Lambert has another level in him. The best we can hope for is treading water and eventually we'll go down.

we keep losing money when we keep dropping these places too .

could have managed a 10th   but now could be a 17th  . Whats the different in the payments of where you finish?