The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[eastie]

Moyes is Lambert without the attacking bias. Look at them both: their best points are finding good players for low-to-middling fees, creating a hardworking bubble mentality around a young team and counterattacking tactics which can help galvanise the side against the bigger teams; worse points include a lack of modernity in their tactical approach, over-reliance on the physical stuff and a certain prickliness which doesn't serve them well in tough situations. They're also both tough-minded, which can also manifest itself in stubbornness.

However, Lambert is by instinct an attacking manager, and Moyes by instinct is negative. Lambert's inclination is perhaps towards the self-aggrandising and hubristic, whereas Moyes looks increasingly cowed, small-time, parochial and defensive (both in football terms and in his don't-blame-me approach which has been the norm until last night). Moyes is much more competent at delivering his stuff than Lambert, but Lambert fails by not knowing how to deliver his own glorious ideal, with presumably unsophisticated training and so forth. When Lambert fails, you kind of feel sorry for him - when Moyes fails, you feel he deserves it.

Moyes was a poor choice for the united job , too big for him.

[brian green]

The other factor of the Moyes/Lambert comparison is that Moyes made his bones (I love using Godfather expressions) under an ever present owner who lives and dies for Everton whereas at VP he would be effectively on his own.

[Monty]

Ask the Everton fans about Kenwright and a hell of a lot of their criticisms would sound catchingly familiar.

[eastie]

Ask the Everton fans about Kenwright and a hell of a lot of their criticisms would sound catchingly familiar.

Was just about to post similar - many viewed Ellis in the way that  Everton fans view kenwright .

[gsbrn68]

I think huddlestone would have been a great signing for us .

Certainly more-so than Long would. I'd just be concerned about how immobile a midfield of Huddlestone and Westwood would be.

I don't think there would be uproar if we spent £10 million on Long or Davies as they are proven premier league players

Shane Long has never scored more than eight goals in a Premier League season. We already have Gabby and Weimann to score that many and they didn't cost £7m. Shane Long is about as proven as Grant Holt is

I'm quite happy for Lambert to go and spend £7m on somebody much better than Shane Long (as he did with Benteke and in my opinion, Kozak).

bet you werent  saying that after 15 mins at the Hawthorns
I think if Long had the same chances created for him that Gabby & Wiemann did he would score a higher percentage

[eastie]

Long turned it on against us at the hawthorns -as did hadji when he scored twice against us for coventry and we know how that turned out .

I think Kozak will prove better than Shane long.

[dave.woodhall]

Ask the Everton fans about Kenwright and a hell of a lot of their criticisms would sound catchingly familiar.

Was just about to post similar - many viewed Ellis in the way that  Everton fans view kenwright .

You mean he took Everton from European champions to relegation and made millions out of them?

[Monty]

Ask the Everton fans about Kenwright and a hell of a lot of their criticisms would sound catchingly familiar.

Was just about to post similar - many viewed Ellis in the way that  Everton fans view kenwright .

You mean he took Everton from European champions to relegation and made millions out of them?

My comparison was more to Lerner than to Ellis. Well-meaning but doesn't invest enough, that sort of thing. Very far from the the worst horrors of Hellis.

[Dave]

Long turned it on against us at the hawthorns -as did hadji when he scored twice against us for coventry and we know how that turned out .

*nods*

The last thing I would want us to judge a potential signing on is how well they performed against our defence, as unfortunately they won't get the free pass of playing against them anymore.

Maybe Kevin Nolan and Peter Odemwingie can join Shane Long in this new-look strikeforce?

[dave.woodhall]

Ask the Everton fans about Kenwright and a hell of a lot of their criticisms would sound catchingly familiar.

Was just about to post similar - many viewed Ellis in the way that  Everton fans view kenwright .

You mean he took Everton from European champions to relegation and made millions out of them?

My comparison was more to Lerner than to Ellis. Well-meaning but doesn't invest enough, that sort of thing. Very far from the the worst horrors of Hellis.

I'm sure that's right, although Everton are in a position where they can't expand the ground, can't move, Kenwright can't sell nor attract investment.

[eastie]

Ask the Everton fans about Kenwright and a hell of a lot of their criticisms would sound catchingly familiar.

Was just about to post similar - many viewed Ellis in the way that  Everton fans view kenwright .

You mean he took Everton from European champions to relegation and made millions out of them?

Ellis took over a team who had just finished 11th in the table , yes we won the European cup but we did finish 11th .

Yes, we were relegated but we also came close to being champions twice - just to even things out a bit .
We can debate Ellis for years but there was good and bad in him , not just bad.

[rob_bridge]

Long turned it on against us at the hawthorns -as did hadji when he scored twice against us for coventry and we know how that turned out .

I think Kozak will prove better than Shane long.

Agree I think Kozak will be a good signing.

[Richard E]

There is good and bad in everyone. And we learn to live when we learn to give each other what we need to survive. Together alive.

[Monty]

Ask the Everton fans about Kenwright and a hell of a lot of their criticisms would sound catchingly familiar.

Was just about to post similar - many viewed Ellis in the way that  Everton fans view kenwright .

You mean he took Everton from European champions to relegation and made millions out of them?

My comparison was more to Lerner than to Ellis. Well-meaning but doesn't invest enough, that sort of thing. Very far from the the worst horrors of Hellis.

I'm sure that's right, although Everton are in a position where they can't expand the ground, can't move, Kenwright can't sell nor attract investment.

Very true, the comparison is limited. Kenwright, indeed, has tried repeatedly and publicly to sell the club but has failed, something I'm sure many Villa fans would like Lerner to emulate.

[eastie]

There is good and bad in everyone. And we learn to live when we learn to give each other what we need to survive. Together alive.

There's a song in there somewhere