The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[Ad@m]

If our home and away form was switched around I'm sure things would not quite seem so bad.

I doubt it would make much difference - of our 34 points, 17 have come at home, 17 away.

[Ian.]

I'd love to know what Lerner is thinking. Surely he must know the fans aren't happy losing 4-1 at home to Stoke.

I was a talking to a browns fan who told me lerner if anything was quick to fire coaches who didn't do well.
Bottom 6 and I think lambert could be on his way .

We're not bottom six though

And we wont be either!

[Toronto Villa]

It's fucking maddening watching it happen over and over again.

I heard a clip of Lambert's post-match interview on the radio this morning.  In it he did the usual "we go again" but also said that the players made mistakes but the important thing is that they learn from them and don't let them happen again.  I then found myself screaming at my car stereo "But Paul, they do keep letting it happen again!!!!".

It's so frustrating.

Thing is this group of have players have got us here, or to this point. Irrespective of how you measure what that point is. We're mid table, relatively safe. Nobody is saying much more than that. On the odd occasion we surprise ourselves and pull a superb result out of the bag, other times we wonder how it is we are not fixed to the foot of the table. Truth is, if Lambert has been told he'll be here, he'll also know which players will or won't be. Especially the latter. He'll know along with his staff those players that have served their purpose and will be moved on. Those that repeat errors or simply don't perform consistently. He's never going to publicly criticize them. It's not what he does. But don't be surprised to see a new lower profile bomb squad created and pushed out of the door.

I agree and I also want what Lambert's trying to do to work.

But the sheer regularity of the embarrassments he's led us to, and the obvious, repeated mistakes from decisions he's made to things players do or don't do, is bending my mind!!!!

it's a consequence of a lot very quickly. Under normal circumstances such change should take more than two seasons where the purge hasn't been so extreme. But the club took a very radical path to eliminate the damage of the past few years. It has cost us dearly, but the net result one would hope is that we never have to go through it again. I imagine the annual report going forward will be a far better read than over the past 3 or 4 years. That puts us on more sound footing, so for the manager he "should" not need to have such dramatic turnover in the playing staff. That he should have a core group that can perform to a certain level, and with the addition every window of 3 or 4 quality players should see the consistency improve. It's not only mind bending the peaks and valleys for us as fans, it has to be for the manager at times even if he has been a big part of that. Hopefully what he knows and we don't yet is that the volatility as it has been will come to an end.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

He'll know along with his staff those players that have served their purpose and will be moved on. Those that repeat errors or simply don't perform consistently. He's never going to publicly criticize them. It's not what he does.

If only you were talking about the mind of Randy Lerner.

I want so much to like Lambert, more than like, I want to believe in him. The problem is, forget for one milisecond what goes on on the pitch, he doesn't even talk a good game. Nothing! As Adam and Sam mentioned above, it's bloody frustrating listening to him talk nonsense week after week. At least he didn't claim we deserved something or played well at the weekend. That was a first.

[Toronto Villa]

He'll know along with his staff those players that have served their purpose and will be moved on. Those that repeat errors or simply don't perform consistently. He's never going to publicly criticize them. It's not what he does.

If only you were talking about the mind of Randy Lerner.

I want so much to like Lambert, more than like, I want to believe in him. The problem is, forget for one milisecond what goes on on the pitch, he doesn't even talk a good game. Nothing! As Adam and Sam mentioned above, it's bloody frustrating listening to him talk nonsense week after week. At least he didn't claim we deserved something or played well at the weekend. That was a first.

There have been lots of managers who talk a great game and end up being bollocks when it came to doing the actual job. So for me, it's what the players hear and interpret that is more important than what he says to us. A lot of it, I find is smoke and mirrors anyway. I think yesterday you could tell he was really disappointed by the display especially on the back of two good wins and 20 very good first half minutes. I imagine today some words will be used with the players that you won't hear at your nans knitting club.

[Ian.]

If our home and away form was switched around I'm sure things would not quite seem so bad.

I doubt it would make much difference - of our 34 points, 17 have come at home, 17 away.

Bugger, is it really!

[john e]

If our home and away form was switched around I'm sure things would not quite seem so bad.

I doubt it would make much difference - of our 34 points, 17 have come at home, 17 away.

Bugger, is it really!

well fuck my old boots and trousers

[Ad@m]

If our home and away form was switched around I'm sure things would not quite seem so bad.

I doubt it would make much difference - of our 34 points, 17 have come at home, 17 away.

Bugger, is it really!

Yep - 5 wins & 2 draws at home; 4 wins & 5 draws away.  We have played 2 fewer away games but other than that the only difference really is that we've only lost 5 away from home whilst we've lost 9 at home.

[eastie]

I'd love to know what Lerner is thinking. Surely he must know the fans aren't happy losing 4-1 at home to Stoke.

I was a talking to a browns fan who told me lerner if anything was quick to fire coaches who didn't do well.
Bottom 6 and I think lambert could be on his way .

We're not bottom six though

I'm talking about when the season ends and we could quite easily finish anywhere between 10th and 15th depending on how the season pans out from here .

[Louzie0]

I'd love to know what Lerner is thinking. Surely he must know the fans aren't happy losing 4-1 at home to Stoke.

I was a talking to a browns fan who told me lerner if anything was quick to fire coaches who didn't do well.
Bottom 6 and I think lambert could be on his way .

We're not bottom six though

I'm talking about when the season ends and we could quite easily finish anywhere between 10th and 15th depending on how the season pans out from here .

God you're depressing.
This time last year we had about 25 million goals against and were wallowing in imminent danger of the big R.

I think there's been progress.
Apart from Sunday, what a load of.

[Ian.]

I'd love to know what Lerner is thinking. Surely he must know the fans aren't happy losing 4-1 at home to Stoke.

I was a talking to a browns fan who told me lerner if anything was quick to fire coaches who didn't do well.
Bottom 6 and I think lambert could be on his way .

We're not bottom six though

I'm talking about when the season ends and we could quite easily finish anywhere between 10th and 15th depending on how the season pans out from here .

God you're depressing.
This time last year we had about 25 million goals against and were wallowing in imminent danger of the big R.

I think there's been progress.
Apart from Sunday, what a load of.

I completely agree.

[pauliewalnuts]

I appreciate we've had some turnover of players, but really, it's not as remarkable as some make out.

Of yesterday's starting line up, 9 were here last season. It's not like we've just brought in a job lot of players, akin to buying a "silver team pack" on FIFA14. These are players who were almost all here last season. Some of them have been at the club longer than Lambert has.

Over the last few seasons, we've moved our expectations down ever more. First it was "well, when we get shot of these wasters like Dunne and Collins", then it was "well, when we get rid of the bomb squad, it'll be different", then it was "when the academy products have settled in to the first team", or "when these players have a full season under their belt".

It just seems to be never ending.

Part of the process is getting rid of overpaid players who don't contribute much, if anything. That bit seems to be going relatively well. The other part is replacing them with good players who can become better, on more reasonable wages.

That bit - as we pick up our ninth home defeat of the season, will three still to play - isn't going anywhere near as well.

I appreciate the fact we're not in the relegation mix at the moment, and we probably won't be, but I don't think anyone should be counting chickens re where we are going to finish when we are still so very capable of losing - and losing comprehensively - at home to the likes of Stoke, Crystal Palace, and West Ham.

We're currently 4 points better off that where we were at this point last year. The margins are very slim in terms of how much we've improved in terms of points, but if you look at the weaknesses on the pitch, they look worryingly like the same ones we had last year.

Over the course of this season, I think I've actually changed my mind on what the issue is. Towards the beginning, I was firmly in the "mostly the players fault" camp, and I think that's to a great degree the case with yesterday, but my faith in the manager has taken a nose dive this season. We've spent way too much of the season so far cluelessly lumping the ball at Benteke, and it is still our default fall back when things aren't going the way we want them to.

[Clampy]

I'd love to know what Lerner is thinking. Surely he must know the fans aren't happy losing 4-1 at home to Stoke.

I was a talking to a browns fan who told me lerner if anything was quick to fire coaches who didn't do well.
Bottom 6 and I think lambert could be on his way .

We're not bottom six though

I'm talking about when the season ends and we could quite easily finish anywhere between 10th and 15th depending on how the season pans out from here .

God you're depressing.
This time last year we had about 25 million goals against and were wallowing in imminent danger of the big R.

I think there's been progress.
Apart from Sunday, what a load of.

I completely agree.

Thirded.

[Louzie0]

I'd love to know what Lerner is thinking. Surely he must know the fans aren't happy losing 4-1 at home to Stoke.

I was a talking to a browns fan who told me lerner if anything was quick to fire coaches who didn't do well.
Bottom 6 and I think lambert could be on his way .

We're not bottom six though

I'm talking about when the season ends and we could quite easily finish anywhere between 10th and 15th depending on how the season pans out from here .

God you're depressing.
This time last year we had about 25 million goals against and were wallowing in imminent danger of the big R.

I think there's been progress.
Apart from Sunday, what a load of.

I completely agree.

Wahey! UTV! We will prevail! And be....better than last season! Onward and Upward!

[ciggiesnbeer]

updated at 30 games