The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[OzVilla]

I have to say also that the Club really do deserve all they get for the way they didn't strengthen when they so clearly should've in January or show the slightest concern that we are in deep shit and have been for the last 4 years now - it's just that we've got away with it.  It's not like this is a surprise season where the stars have been aligned against us and you feel the chickens must come home to roost sooner or later.

Whether you blame Lambert, Lerner, Faulkner or all of them it's gone beyond a joke now. 

Personally, I can see us being dragged into the relegation places at just the wrong time and if we do the club (not the fans) will have deserved it for not seeing the warning signs and a general complacency shown from the Board.

I really wanted Lambert to succeed but there's no way he should be given a new contract and the quicker Lerner finds an interested buyer the better - this season or next we're relegation waiting to happen unless there's some fundamental change.

[ciggiesnbeer]

I have been one of the first fans and sponsors of Lambert when he was at Norwich and played an entertaining, passing, attacking football with the diamond formation.

But once realised that at Villa he has become another kind if manager, I would have sacked him three monts ago.

Today, with the loss against a team that was in free fall, I have lost the faith to avoid relegation with Lambert on the bench.
I adore England and the English football, but this does not prevent me from seeing its unique but enormous defect. In England stability is highly overated, clubs prefer to be relegated instead of sacking the manager, as it if were an infamous act.
Ok, in Italy we go to the opposite extremes, it is true, but did you see how Tony Pulis, that is not Pep Guardiola, changed Palace?
We'll probably sack our clueless manager when it'll be too late.

I have been watching football all over the world since 35 years, and I have never seen a team of first division absolutely unable to make two ground passages  in a row. A team whose tactics are dreadful and whose sole gameplan is to throw the ball from the goal keeper to the center forward, stepping over the midfield.
My local team,  that is struggling to avoid relegation in the Italian third division, compared with the current Villa side, looks like Barcelona. . .

I hope that facts will prove me wrong, but I have the strong impression that next season there will be only two claret and blue teams in Premier League, Burnley and West Ham.

Good post. Thanks.

[enigma]

A big no to Laudrup from me. He's only ever been a one season wonder wherever he's been. We need a long term plan to get out of the malaise we're currently in so he's not the answer. Besides, they never saw him until match day as he'd spend the week at his place in Paris. I'd prefer our manager to be a bit more hands on than that.

[Mister E]

It's the absence of ball retention; the inability to impose ourselves on the game; the sense that our attacking effort will wither; the inevitability of the late concession.

It's the lack of expectation that the manager will make a game-changing decision; and the fact that - before they come on - we know that the substitutes will not change the game, because they are even worse than the players already on the pitch. It's the knowledge that the opposition know they can turn us over; and the fact that if one of our defenders has a blinder, one or two others will have a mare.

Supporting a football team is almost-always an exercise in hope over expectation: supporting Villa at this time in the club's history is an exercise in futility and nihilism.

I think Lambert has run his course with us, but sacking now would be a mistake unless there is a palpably better alternative waiting in the wings. History shows that will not be the case.

Summer is where it all needs to happen; it probably won't.

[eastie]

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2010/09/01/ronald-koeman-wants-the-villa-job/

This article shows he wanted the job 4 years ago , he has managed at Ajax and benfica, he has this week again said he wants to manage in the premiership next season and his feyenoord contract is up in may .

The man we should get is Ronald koeman and if we really wanted him i daresay he would probably come now as feyenoord are pretty much guaranteed a European place but not in the title hunt .

[Phil from the upper holte]

Look at Fulham, they've sacked two managers this season and still look in trouble, look at Cardiff sacked the manager brought in ole and they've won 1 in 7. Sacking Lambert now Is pointless. Were just going to have to hope we don't get relegated and I think that's what it's goin to come down to

[eastie]

Look at Fulham, they've sacked two managers this season and still look in trouble, look at Cardiff sacked the manager brought in ole and they've won 1 in 7. Sacking Lambert now Is pointless. Were just going to have to hope we don't get relegated and I think that's what it's goin to come down to

Sometimes it comes off for you if you have the right man .
I think randy is not ruthless enough to go out and get his man though , this stance he took of not approaching anyone under contract was soft - its dog eat dog in football .

[aj2k77]

"But you also must keep the club progressing to keep your senior players keen and interested in trying to win things.

"It's not a case of dropping standards, we want to still be trying to force ourselves into Europe and going on good cup runs because that's the nature of the club.

"If the supporters that come here every week saw we weren't doing that they wouldn't be very happy.

A quote from the Koeman article from nearly 4 years ago by Kmac. That mentality is not at the club anymore, it has been replaced by defeatists and losers with no winning mentality.

[LeeB]

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2010/09/01/ronald-koeman-wants-the-villa-job/

This article shows he wanted the job 4 years ago , he has managed at Ajax and benfica, he has this week again said he wants to manage in the premiership next season and his feyenoord contract is up in may .

The man we should get is Ronald koeman and if we really wanted him i daresay he would probably come now as feyenoord are pretty much guaranteed a European place but not in the title hunt .

Jesus man, have you done any research on what he actually did in those jobs or is it just that he's foreign and quite famous?

[eastie]

"But you also must keep the club progressing to keep your senior players keen and interested in trying to win things.

"It's not a case of dropping standards, we want to still be trying to force ourselves into Europe and going on good cup runs because that's the nature of the club.

"If the supporters that come here every week saw we weren't doing that they wouldn't be very happy.

A quote from the Koeman article from nearly 4 years ago by Kmac. That mentality is not at the club anymore, it has been replaced by defeatists and losers with no winning mentality.

Indeed, and that stems from the head of the club downwards - what a sad state of affairs .

[eastie]

http://www.expressandstar.com/sport/2010/09/01/ronald-koeman-wants-the-villa-job/

This article shows he wanted the job 4 years ago , he has managed at Ajax and benfica, he has this week again said he wants to manage in the premiership next season and his feyenoord contract is up in may .

The man we should get is Ronald koeman and if we really wanted him i daresay he would probably come now as feyenoord are pretty much guaranteed a European place but not in the title hunt .

Jesus man, have you done any research on what he actually did in those jobs or is it just that he's foreign and quite famous?

Yes I have and he would be a damn sight better than lambert , although so would most people.

There may be better managers about but would villa attract them - koeman would take the job as he is ambitious to manage in the premiership.

[LeeB]

Based on what?

[eastie]

Based on what?

Three league titles as a manager plus 4 cups including the copa del Rey at Valencia - plus over a dozen years managing in European competition - remind me what lambert has won ?

[LeeB]

Based on what?

Three league titles as a manager plus 4 cups including the copa del Rey at Valencia - plus over a dozen years managing in European competition - remind me what lambert has won ?

Souness has a similar record.

[eastie]

Based on what?

Three league titles as a manager plus 4 cups including the copa del Rey at Valencia - plus over a dozen years managing in European competition - remind me what lambert has won ?

Souness has a similar record.

Souness has been out of the game for years , koeman is still in management and looking to manage in this league next - lambert is out of his depth - time to bring in someone with experience of managing big clubs and tactical nous.