The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

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I thought he was an unspooled physio?

[Concrete John]

17 home defeats out of last 32 home games is shocking. Lerner & his dumb side kick Faulkner haven't a single clue about football. 3 year contract? What a joke that it's even being considered!!

Can't argue with that!

Certainly not. There's no excuse for that. Budget, whatever, at any level of football you can't expect to keep your job with a record like that. It would look bad even if we won every single away game, but our away record is okay, nothing more.

Our away form is pushing top 6 level.  So far this season, we've got 2 less points than Liverpool on the road and only 1 less than Everton.

I'm afraid that's not the case any more - we are 10th in the away form only table at the moment. Unless that's what you class as pushing sixth, but that's a pretty generous interpretation.

If people can claim we're in a relegation battle while 4 or 5 points ahead of the bottom three, then I can claim our away form as top 6 level while presently 2 points away form the 6th placed team in that table     

[aj2k77]

17 home defeats out of last 32 home games is shocking. Lerner & his dumb side kick Faulkner haven't a single clue about football. 3 year contract? What a joke that it's even being considered!!

Can't argue with that!

Certainly not. There's no excuse for that. Budget, whatever, at any level of football you can't expect to keep your job with a record like that. It would look bad even if we won every single away game, but our away record is okay, nothing more.

Our away form is pushing top 6 level.  So far this season, we've got 2 less points than Liverpool on the road and only 1 less than Everton.

I'm afraid that's not the case any more - we are 10th in the away form only table at the moment. Unless that's what you class as pushing sixth, but that's a pretty generous interpretation.

Yep the away form is beginning to dip now as well, and given our home form that is very worrying. Even more worrying was the fact that Lambert said in his pre-match interview, when asked why our away form is better than home, he didn't know but if he could bottle that form and use it at home he would. It's hardly an inspiring response showing that he can address our issues.

Just as worrying before West Ham Lambert said we were in good form, it was 2 wins in 11

If it's £Xm rising to £Ym after a certain amount of games/goals, then it's entirely possible that Faulkner is quoting the higher figure as that is essentially the total financial commitment the club has made.  Further to that, we may even squirrel the money away to another account ready for if and when the trigger clauses activate.

It's all a lot of guesswork really and ultimately we only know the ballpark of what the player cost and what we think of him on the oitch.

If it's a fee that includes clauses then that isn't included in the accounts yet. We've spent £42m whether we like the outcome of it or not.

[Concrete John]

If it's a fee that includes clauses then that isn't included in the accounts yet. We've spent £42m whether we like the outcome of it or not.

Wrong.

As a contractural liability of the club it will have to be accounted for somewhere.

[aj2k77]

If it's a fee that includes clauses then that isn't included in the accounts yet. We've spent £42m whether we like the outcome of it or not.

Wrong.

As a contractural liability of the club it will have to be accounted for somewhere.

Which isn't accounted in the same place as the transfer fee's, of which we have paid £42m according to the accounts.

The clubs CEO says we've spent £42m from his own mouth. The accounts say we've spent £42m. Virtually all media outlets estimate our transfers to add up to around £42m.
So in fact it's at least £42m we have spent.

[Isa]

Which isn't accounted in the same place as the transfer fee's, of which we have paid £42m according to the accounts.

The clubs CEO says we've spent £42m from his own mouth. The accounts say we've spent £42m. Virtually all media outlets estimate our transfers to add up to around £42m.
So in fact it's at least £42m we have spent.

It's worth pointing out that the accounts haven't confirmed the £42m as we await the release of the most recent accounts which are due around March I believe. However it is obviously likely that they will concur with Faulkner's figure.

[Concrete John]

I'm not arguing that we've spent £42m - I actually think that figure if pretty accurate.  But I imagine it includes add ons where applicable.

[PaulWinch again]

Regardless Kozak looks decent enough and he's scored some important goals for us in his time at the club. I wouldn't highlight him if I was building a case against Lambert. There are plenty of other things that he's done wrong.

[not3bad]

Regardless Kozak looks decent enough and he's scored some important goals for us in his time at the club. I wouldn't highlight him if I was building a case against Lambert. There are plenty of other things that he's done wrong.

Ultimately when you've got the home form, the tactics, the team selections and the style of play to talk about, it seems strange to focus on an arguable point like Kozak and how much we've lost on someone like Bowery, who hardly cost anything in the first place.

[tomd2103]

17 home defeats out of last 32 home games is shocking. Lerner & his dumb side kick Faulkner haven't a single clue about football. 3 year contract? What a joke that it's even being considered!!

Can't argue with that!

Certainly not. There's no excuse for that. Budget, whatever, at any level of football you can't expect to keep your job with a record like that. It would look bad even if we won every single away game, but our away record is okay, nothing more.

Our away form is pushing top 6 level.  So far this season, we've got 2 less points than Liverpool on the road and only 1 less than Everton.

I'm afraid that's not the case any more - we are 10th in the away form only table at the moment. Unless that's what you class as pushing sixth, but that's a pretty generous interpretation.

If people can claim we're in a relegation battle while 4 or 5 points ahead of the bottom three, then I can claim our away form as top 6 level while presently 2 points away form the 6th placed team in that table 

Over how many games is that?  The "away" league table they showed on BT before the game on Monday night had us in 11th place, but that was over the whole season.

As for PL's new contract, I would hope that any discussions regarding that have been put on ice until the end of season.

[PaulWinch again]

Regardless Kozak looks decent enough and he's scored some important goals for us in his time at the club. I wouldn't highlight him if I was building a case against Lambert. There are plenty of other things that he's done wrong.

Ultimately when you've got the home form, the tactics, the team selections and the style of play to talk about, it seems strange to focus on an arguable point like Kozak and how much we've lost on someone like Bowery, who hardly cost anything in the first place.

Indeed very odd. On Bowery he's clearly a punt that won't pay off as he's not very good, but we haven't really lost anything.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Kozaks fee wasn't 7 million either. It was potentially rising to 7, but I think his initial fee was 4 million. That's if you believe the papers too. They've over estimated the fees for most of Lamberts signings so far. According to the club...if of course, you believe them.

A quick look at the Italian press mentions 7.5m euros with a 1.5m add-on based on the usual requirements which is roughly 6m plus 1.2 add-ons. At that price, I'd say he's more than a decent buy. The only issue I have, as Monty pointed out, is whether or not he's the type of player to fit our supposed style (of last season).

There are many sticks to beat Lambert with. His transfer record is certainly the smallest.

[tomd2103]

Kozaks fee wasn't 7 million either. It was potentially rising to 7, but I think his initial fee was 4 million. That's if you believe the papers too. They've over estimated the fees for most of Lamberts signings so far. According to the club...if of course, you believe them.

A quick look at the Italian press mentions 7.5m euros with a 1.5m add-on based on the usual requirements which is roughly 6m plus 1.2 add-ons. At that price, I'd say he's more than a decent buy. The only issue I have, as Monty pointed out, is whether or not he's the type of player to fit our supposed style (of last season).

There are many sticks to beat Lambert with. His transfer record is certainly the smallest.

I don't know Rudy.  Maybe not last season, but when he had the opportunity build on that and move the club forward, his transfer dealings in the summer were poor (Okore apart) and his own lack of faith in those players has left us short this season.  My only issue with the signing of Kozak is that I think the money he paid could have been spent strengthening other positions.

[mike]

If it's a fee that includes clauses then that isn't included in the accounts yet. We've spent £42m whether we like the outcome of it or not.

Wrong.

As a contractural liability of the club it will have to be accounted for somewhere.

If it's anything like 42 million then it's a disgrace that we're where we are.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

Kozaks fee wasn't 7 million either. It was potentially rising to 7, but I think his initial fee was 4 million. That's if you believe the papers too. They've over estimated the fees for most of Lamberts signings so far. According to the club...if of course, you believe them.

A quick look at the Italian press mentions 7.5m euros with a 1.5m add-on based on the usual requirements which is roughly 6m plus 1.2 add-ons. At that price, I'd say he's more than a decent buy. The only issue I have, as Monty pointed out, is whether or not he's the type of player to fit our supposed style (of last season).

There are many sticks to beat Lambert with. His transfer record is certainly the smallest.

I don't know Rudy.  Maybe not last season, but when he had the opportunity build on that and move the club forward, his transfer dealings in the summer were poor (Okore apart) and his own lack of faith in those players has left us short this season.  My only issue with the signing of Kozak is that I think the money he paid could have been spent strengthening other positions.

I don't disagree with you, last summer's signings have yet to show their value but the same could be said about the previous summer's signings this season. For me, I don't think Lambert has yet the know-how to develop young talent and is the wrong man for the plan. The only thing I can credit him for is not allowing their heads to drop until now but as I mentioned on the Cardiff Post Match thread, I'm sensing that confidence is waning. We desperately need a win, not only to help keep us up but to make sure the lads can mentally survive the coming months.