The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[PaulWinch again]

Massimo Maccarone scored loads in the Uefa for Middlesboro, and had a shite record in the league, no one waded in offering £7m for him either.

Well apart from Middleboro who already had:
"Maccarone was signed by English Premier League team Middlesbrough on 9 July 2002 for £8.15 million (€12.7 million)."

And then he scored lots of Uefa cup goals for Middlesboro, not many in the league and was sold for how much ?

No one judges players by Europa League goals if they can't hit a barn door in the league. A 1 in 6 goalscorer is not worth £7m, face it, Kozak was overpriced.

I don't think you can judge him at all yet, and is he a one in six striker for Villa? No I don't think so. You can argue whether the money could have been used for a position we required more, but it's way too early to make a judgement on his value.

[Dante Lavelli]

Massimo Maccarone scored loads in the Uefa for Middlesboro, and had a shite record in the league, no one waded in offering £7m for him either.

Well apart from Middleboro who already had:
"Maccarone was signed by English Premier League team Middlesbrough on 9 July 2002 for £8.15 million (€12.7 million)."

And then he scored lots of Uefa cup goals for Middlesboro, not many in the league and was sold for how much ?

No one judges players by Europa League goals if they can't hit a barn door in the league. A 1 in 6 goalscorer is not worth £7m, face it, Kozak was overpriced.

[In my best Duncan Bannatyne voice]
"I've listened to your pitch.  I think you valuations are wildly deflated and you ideas are generally nuts.  I'm out!"

[Concrete John]

17 home defeats out of last 32 home games is shocking. Lerner & his dumb side kick Faulkner haven't a single clue about football. 3 year contract? What a joke that it's even being considered!!

Can't argue with that!

Certainly not. There's no excuse for that. Budget, whatever, at any level of football you can't expect to keep your job with a record like that. It would look bad even if we won every single away game, but our away record is okay, nothing more.

Our away form is pushing top 6 level.  So far this season, we've got 2 less points than Liverpool on the road and only 1 less than Everton.

That's not to try and excuse the home form, but it's a it more than 'OK' for this stage in our development.

[supertom]

Kozaks fee wasn't 7 million either. It was potentially rising to 7, but I think his initial fee was 4 million. That's if you believe the papers too. They've over estimated the fees for most of Lamberts signings so far. According to the club...if of course, you believe them.

[supertom]

17 home defeats out of last 32 home games is shocking. Lerner & his dumb side kick Faulkner haven't a single clue about football. 3 year contract? What a joke that it's even being considered!!

Can't argue with that!

Certainly not. There's no excuse for that. Budget, whatever, at any level of football you can't expect to keep your job with a record like that. It would look bad even if we won every single away game, but our away record is okay, nothing more.

Our away form is pushing top 6 level.  So far this season, we've got 2 less points than Liverpool on the road and only 1 less than Everton.

That's not to try and excuse the home form, but it's a it more than 'OK' for this stage in our development.

We've done okay away from home. Won 4, Drawn 5 and lost 4. That's still not quite good enough to make up for the home form, and not enough that we're not struggling. But of course as you say, the away form is not the issue, I wouldn't expect a club like us, aspiring for mid-table to have anything more than okay away form. If we had even average home form then we'd be up around Newcastle and Soton.

[Concrete John]

Yes, we would.  But that's beacuse our away form is better than expected for, as you say, an aspiring mid table club.  If we were just OK away from home and still as poor as we are at VP, that would leave a few points worse off and right in the mix for relegation, instead of on the outskirts of it as we are.  So, in order to drag us up to where we presently are, or 10th as we were a couple of games ago, it surely has to be at least of upper mid table level?

As I said, it's not an excuse for being pants at home, but the lets not try to downplay it either.

[Isa]

Kozaks fee wasn't 7 million either. It was potentially rising to 7, but I think his initial fee was 4 million. That's if you believe the papers too. They've over estimated the fees for most of Lamberts signings so far. According to the club...if of course, you believe them.

Not really. The accounts show we spent £21.7m during Lambert's first season and Faulkner confirmed (after the last summer window) that Lambert had spent £42m since arriving. Both those figures pretty much tally with the reported fees.

Regarding the Kozak fee, numerous media outlets reported it at around £6-7m both national and foreign. Transfermarkt who are fairly reliable when it comes to financial information have it at £6.1m. So ultimately there is no evidence to suggest it was any lower than £6m, certainly not the £4m figure promoted by some.

[Concrete John]

If it's £Xm rising to £Ym after a certain amount of games/goals, then it's entirely possible that Faulkner is quoting the higher figure as that is essentially the total financial commitment the club has made.  Further to that, we may even squirrel the money away to another account ready for if and when the trigger clauses activate.

It's all a lot of guesswork really and ultimately we only know the ballpark of what the player cost and what we think of him on the oitch.

[pauliewalnuts]

Regarding the Kozak fee, numerous media outlets reported it at around £6-7m both national and foreign. Transfermarkt who are fairly reliable when it comes to financial information have it at £6.1m. So ultimately there is no evidence to suggest it was any lower than £6m, certainly not the £4m figure promoted by some.

The post above yours is the first time I've ever heard the figure of 4m mentioned in relation to Kozak, it's hardly promoted by some, which makes it sound like a relatively common misconception.

I think almost everyone on here would agree they've accepted the 7m figure for him.

[pauliewalnuts]

17 home defeats out of last 32 home games is shocking. Lerner & his dumb side kick Faulkner haven't a single clue about football. 3 year contract? What a joke that it's even being considered!!

Can't argue with that!

Certainly not. There's no excuse for that. Budget, whatever, at any level of football you can't expect to keep your job with a record like that. It would look bad even if we won every single away game, but our away record is okay, nothing more.

Our away form is pushing top 6 level.  So far this season, we've got 2 less points than Liverpool on the road and only 1 less than Everton.

I'm afraid that's not the case any more - we are 10th in the away form only table at the moment. Unless that's what you class as pushing sixth, but that's a pretty generous interpretation.

[PaulWinch again]

17 home defeats out of last 32 home games is shocking. Lerner & his dumb side kick Faulkner haven't a single clue about football. 3 year contract? What a joke that it's even being considered!!

Can't argue with that!

Certainly not. There's no excuse for that. Budget, whatever, at any level of football you can't expect to keep your job with a record like that. It would look bad even if we won every single away game, but our away record is okay, nothing more.

Our away form is pushing top 6 level.  So far this season, we've got 2 less points than Liverpool on the road and only 1 less than Everton.

I'm afraid that's not the case any more - we are 10th in the away form only table at the moment. Unless that's what you class as pushing sixth, but that's a pretty generous interpretation.

Yep the away form is beginning to dip now as well, and given our home form that is very worrying. Even more worrying was the fact that Lambert said in his pre-match interview, when asked why our away form is better than home, he didn't know but if he could bottle that form and use it at home he would. It's hardly an inspiring response showing that he can address our issues.

[Isa]

The post above yours is the first time I've ever heard the figure of 4m mentioned in relation to Kozak, it's hardly promoted by some, which makes it sound like a relatively common misconception.

I think almost everyone on here would agree they've accepted the 7m figure for him.

Yeah sorry, I should clarify that I wasn't referring to this specific forum per se. The belief that Kozak cost nearer to £4m is still relatively widespread though. Many on VT and Twitter do still promote that figure for example, based mainly on Hairyhands' (the ITK that used to post on VT) claim that the fee was £4.5m.

[Boz]

If Lambert is placing his faith in escaping a relegation battle because we're a little better off currently than last year plus we escaped last season, it's a bit "head in the sand" IMO.

The bookies tend to get things right and our changing odds are not portraying a comfortable mid table finish on present form. 

[pauliewalnuts]

The post above yours is the first time I've ever heard the figure of 4m mentioned in relation to Kozak, it's hardly promoted by some, which makes it sound like a relatively common misconception.

I think almost everyone on here would agree they've accepted the 7m figure for him.

Yeah sorry, I should clarify that I wasn't referring to this specific forum per se. The belief that Kozak cost nearer to £4m is still relatively widespread though. Many on VT and Twitter do still promote that figure for example, based mainly on Hairyhands' (the ITK that used to post on VT) claim that the fee was £4.5m.

*shakes head*

that squawking rabble would believe anything

 

[adrenachrome]

The post above yours is the first time I've ever heard the figure of 4m mentioned in relation to Kozak, it's hardly promoted by some, which makes it sound like a relatively common misconception.

I think almost everyone on here would agree they've accepted the 7m figure for him.

Yeah sorry, I should clarify that I wasn't referring to this specific forum per se. The belief that Kozak cost nearer to £4m is still relatively widespread though. Many on VT and Twitter do still promote that figure for example, based mainly on Hairyhands' (the ITK that used to post on VT) claim that the fee was £4.5m.

*shakes head*

that squawking rabble would believe anything

 ;)

HH is a Lamboid agent