The Paul Lambert thread - poll reset after our capitulation to Hull

[pauliewalnuts]

Maybe Martinez just felt he owed Whelan another year?

Who knows why he knocked us back. We'll never find out, I suspect.

[pauliewalnuts]

I am not the one peddling the media like that we hated McLiesh because he came from the Noses. Something that you already know SH, probably because you're looking to start an argument.

You're more than capable of starting arguments on here yourself, Ads.
As for McLeish, don't fool yourself. His football was diabolical but he was never offered the same grace Lambert's been given and that's totally down to the fact he didn't come from Small Heath even though he's inflicted some of the most humiliating results in the club's history.

Oh, please.

McLeish - who, lest we forget, got away with it from the crowd for a fair while - got stick because he sent us out spinelessly week after week.

Lambert, for all his faults, I believe actually wants us to play football. The problem is he seems to be bereft of ideas re how to get us doing it.

McLeish was doing his thing. What he does. His routine. And the vast majority didn't give a shit he came from Small Heath - they were more concerned about what he'd done at Small Heath and the thought he'd do it here.

The main reason Lambert got so much leaway last season was people could at least see what he was trying to do, and liked it - the results were poor but the football was decent. The reason he's getting more stick this season is because - obviously - it is another year down the line, but also because the football is so piss poor (and, increasingly, so are the results).

I don't know why people feel the need to look for extra, slightly more sinister reasons behind why the manager is getting stick. The entire situation isn't even complicated. It's pretty fucking obvious.

We've lost 8 of 13 home games.

Our recent results record is this: LLWDLLWDLL - and one of those L's was at home to a third division side.

We've scored 12 goals at home, only Norwich have scored fewer, and of those 12, 4 were in one game.

Why, when we've got statistics as grim as those, would anyone feel the need to start banging on about McLeish. McLeish is gone, over, he doesn't matter any more.

[ROBBO]

I'ts history i'm more concerned with the way my club is being run now, i'm not a supporter of changing manager after a few bad results but Lambert is severely testing me. He seems to constantly get the tactics wrong and his refusal to use wingers until he has little option just frustrates the life out of me.

[PaulWinch again]

Mcleish was diabolical, nothing that has happened lately alters that and there is nothing on this earth that would want me to back in the time when he was in charge. However that doesn't change the fact that Lambert has failed to demonstrate that he ever learns from his mistakes, be that personnel or tactics. We were crying out for an experienced centre half in case Vlaar got injured, and sure enough we didn't sign one and now Vlaar's injured and we look diabolical at the back. We were crying out for a creative midfielder, and sure enough we didn't sign one and we have 68% possession and create very little against a terrible side. He never seems able to change a game in our favour and has done nothing to earn a new deal at all.

[Des Little]

Lambert us without question the most fortunate manager in the Prem. Fortunate because he has an owner who has not only lost all interest, but refuses to relieve him of his duties because it will cost him money. What a pitiful state of affairs.

[saunders_heroes]

I am not the one peddling the media like that we hated McLiesh because he came from the Noses. Something that you already know SH, probably because you're looking to start an argument.

You're more than capable of starting arguments on here yourself, Ads.
As for McLeish, don't fool yourself. His football was diabolical but he was never offered the same grace Lambert's been given and that's totally down to the fact he didn't come from Small Heath even though he's inflicted some of the most humiliating results in the club's history.

Oh, please.

McLeish - who, lest we forget, got away with it from the crowd for a fair while - got stick because he sent us out spinelessly week after week.

Lambert, for all his faults, I believe actually wants us to play football. The problem is he seems to be bereft of ideas re how to get us doing it.

McLeish was doing his thing. What he does. His routine. And the vast majority didn't give a shit he came from Small Heath - they were more concerned about what he'd done at Small Heath and the thought he'd do it here.

The main reason Lambert got so much leaway last season was people could at least see what he was trying to do, and liked it - the results were poor but the football was decent. The reason he's getting more stick this season is because - obviously - it is another year down the line, but also because the football is so piss poor (and, increasingly, so are the results).

I don't know why people feel the need to look for extra, slightly more sinister reasons behind why the manager is getting stick. The entire situation isn't even complicated. It's pretty fucking obvious.

We've lost 8 of 13 home games.

Our recent results record is this: LLWDLLWDLL - and one of those L's was at home to a third division side.

We've scored 12 goals at home, only Norwich have scored fewer, and of those 12, 4 were in one game.

Why, when we've got statistics as grim as those, would anyone feel the need to start banging on about McLeish. McLeish is gone, over, he doesn't matter any more.

Oh please!
Give me a break with the pretending McLeish coming from Small Heath never was issue! I must have dreamt the shitfest when he took over. What planet are you on? The leeway Lambert got last season was precisely because he wasn't McLeish! of course we'll never agree on this
As for the rest, yeah I agree. He's gone, thank god. I only wish the ambonination that is Paul Lambert would clear off as well.

[pauliewalnuts]

Lambert us without question the most fortunate manager in the Prem. Fortunate because he has an owner who has not only lost all interest, but refuses to relieve him of his duties because it will cost him money. What a pitiful state of affairs.

I also don't get what is the management thiinking in starting talking to him about a new contract in the middle of a pretty uninspiring season, when we're in a sequence of truly rubbish results.

Lambert is under absolutely no pressure for his job, far from it, he's being offered better terms to keep doing it. Knowing that, what kind of message does that send to the 36,000 who turn up week in, week out, to watch us lose 8 out of 13 home games, to fail to score very often, and to get thoroughly beaten by the likes of West Ham and Crystal Palace?

Holding the discussions is bad enough, but letting news of them slip out is pretty fucking stupid. What is there possibly to be gained by it?

[Monty]

I had no problem with McLeish coming from Blues. In fact, if he were a good manager I'd have been bouncing if we'd nabbed him from the scummers. I don't care about other people, my personal shitfest was as a result of his utterly dreadful footballing record and that we'd just paid for the privilege.

[saunders_heroes]

I wonder what genius at Villa Park thought it would be good PR to let it be known Lambert was going to be offered a new contract in the midst of this quite horrible run of results? Did they really think the fans would be lifted by the news?

[Des Little]

This board are in for a very rude awakening in the summer when they send out their season ticket renewal forms.

[pauliewalnuts]

Oh please!
Give me a break with the pretending McLeish coming from Small Heath never was issue! I must have dreamt the shitfest when he took over. What planet are you on? The leeway Lambert got last season was precisely because he wasn't McLeish! of course we'll never agree on this
As for the rest, yeah I agree. He's gone, thank god. I only wish the ambonination that is Paul Lambert would clear off as well.

It was an issue to the cretinous 15 year olds running up and down Witton Lane after the appointment, yes, but to most people capable of rational thought it wasn't that he'd come from Small Heath, it was that he was a manager with a proven record of being anti-football, and we were worried he'd start doing it here. Which is exactly what he did.

That's the bit you're wrong about.

You don't seem to realise the difference between, say, the shitfest on here when he was appointed (I can't believe he was, even now), it was utterly incredible, no wonder this place was in meltdown, and people giving him a chance once he was in the job.

Absolutely nobody wanted him, nobody, but once appointed, the vast majority were prepared to give him a chance. Mainly because we didn't have any choice in the matter.

McLeish lasted a considerable amount of time before he got sustained stick from the Holte End. In fact, the Holte turned on Houllier quicker than they did McLeish. Much quicker.

[pauliewalnuts]

I had no problem with McLeish coming from Blues. In fact, if he were a good manager I'd have been bouncing if we'd nabbed him from the scummers.

Exactly.

Personally, had he been a decent manager, I'd have been particularly pleased that we'd nicked him from Blues, as, I suspect, would pretty much everyone.

[saunders_heroes]

Oh please!
Give me a break with the pretending McLeish coming from Small Heath never was issue! I must have dreamt the shitfest when he took over. What planet are you on? The leeway Lambert got last season was precisely because he wasn't McLeish! of course we'll never agree on this
As for the rest, yeah I agree. He's gone, thank god. I only wish the ambonination that is Paul Lambert would clear off as well.

It was an issue to the cretinous 15 year olds running up and down Witton Lane after the appointment, yes, but to most people capable of rational thought it wasn't that he'd come from Small Heath, it was that he was a manager with a proven record of being anti-football, and we were worried he'd start doing it here. Which is exactly what he did.

That's the bit you're wrong about.

You don't seem to realise the difference between, say, the shitfest on here when he was appointed (I can't believe he was, even now), it was utterly incredible, no wonder this place was in meltdown, and people giving him a chance once he was in the job.

Absolutely nobody wanted him, nobody, but once appointed, the vast majority were prepared to give him a chance. Mainly because we didn't have any choice in the matter.

McLeish lasted a considerable amount of time before he got sustained stick from the Holte End. In fact, the Holte turned on Houllier quicker than they did McLeish. Much quicker.

Yes the fans gave him a chance but as soon as things started to go wrong the fans turned on him. Lambert had and is still getting the benefit of the doubt even 18 months into a quite terrible tenure as Villa manager. There is no way McLeish got that much grace. He was hounded out (quite rightly) after just one season. Lambert though is still here inflicting pain onto the club, and I don't go with the "at least we can see what he's trying to do" line that some fans are claiming. Lambert's record since he took over is just bloody diabolical, you know that. Why the hell is he still in a job? It's infuriating!

[Jimbo]

I had no problem with McLeish coming from Blues. In fact, if he were a good manager I'd have been bouncing if we'd nabbed him from the scummers.

Exactly.

Personally, had he been a decent manager, I'd have been particularly pleased that we'd nicked him from Blues, as, I suspect, would pretty much everyone.

A very obvious truth that the idiots in the media just couldn't fathom. If he'd been a world beater, there'd be no club I'd rather snatch him from but them. But it was the opposite.

[bertlambshank]

This board are in for a very rude awakening in the summer when they send out their season ticket renewal forms.

I know of 6 plus the 3 I buy that won't by renewing next season.