To What End?

[Ad@m]

Effectively Michael Cunnah, although his title wasn't CEO.

There's still a gap.  Fitzgerald left in Jan 2008, Cunnah left in May 2008 and Faulkner was appointed in May 2010.  There's a 2 year gap there which coincided with the time things started going pear-shaped for MON.

[class_of_82]

Quote from: perry_barr_pet on Today at 12:24:26 PM
So glad most of these posters where not around the season we went into the 3rd div. but what we did then we need to do now.
And that is fill villa park to the rafters moan before the game moan at half time and moan at the end ,but for 90 minutes get behind the team like we know we can .fuck lambert fuck randy Lerner this is our club always has been and always will.
If anything this team no matter how poor needs our backing I will be doing my 300 mile round trip to cheer them on for 90 minutes lets hope another 39,999 can do the same.

Villa till I die
which posters?!
I know Brian, My Left foot and I are certainly veterans of watching the Villa since at least the late 1960's and I suspect several others are, so be careful in your assumptions!

So there's 3 then

Jesus Christ no one especially not me is saying anything about the support our support in my view is up there with the best of them and considering our position it must be the best. I come out of villa park not able to speak sometimes but what I'm saying no matter how bad we playing the slagging off don't help. For one game just one game "sing your hearts out for the lads" and as for saying the cost was different back in the 3rd division that means that if you watch crap every week for 90 minutes and only pay a pittance to watch it it's ok.

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Re: To What End?
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Quote from: Montbert on Today at 01:36:46 PM
However, if we're not competing, if circumstances find us in that bottom twelve of the Premier League, then fine, no problem, that's easy enough to put up with - it's the fact that our football is so extraordinarily uncheerable which gets us down.

You didn't cheer on Wednesday night?

As for why do we exist, and the apparent connection between that and challenging for honours, how many years in our history have we genuinely challenged for the league title?  I'd suggests the number of seasons we haven't stood a chance of challenging massively outweigh those we've had a realistic chance of winning the league.  And yet we're still one of the largest clubs in the country - what about all those fans of smaller clubs who've never challenged for the championship?

I don't think anyone's saying what we've got at the moment is ideal or the end product but the relentless depression of some on here isn't half wearing.  We came to a very precarious financial position at the end of MON's tenure and we're lucky we had an owner who carried on putting money in whilst the operating costs were sorted out.  You don't have to look very far down the road to see what happens when the owner is unwilling or unable to put extra cash in.

And just like I imagine not many people saw the financial retrenchment coming before MON left who's to say that once the wage base isn't sorted we won't start spending some serious money again?  Most people who complain about Randy conveniently ignore the fact we remain one of the highest spending clubs in the league when it comes to transfer spending - we're just not paying shit players like Habib Beye £40k a week any more.


Ad@m totally spot on mate

[olaftab]

PBP clearly you are having a bit of difficulty in using "quote"? or is this your preferred way of doing it?

[saunders_heroes]

@patmurphybbc: Paul Faulkner CEO of @AVFCOfficial  has just told me he's spoken to Randy Lerner,who's rubbished stories that he's looking to sell up.

I doubt if he'd say anything different.
Does anyone know if Lerner denied he was looking to sell the Browns before he actually did?

[brian green]

It is true that I estimate at least 80% of the 68 years I have been a Holte Ender Villa have been less than good.   At times they have been bereft, desperate and clueless for months on end.   The big difference of the time between the departure of O'Neill and now and those years since 1946 is that however bad we were we always believed we would rise again.   And we did.   

When Randy Lerner bought us, like many more I thought that we would rise yet again.   Until the Stoke game I thought we could win the European Cup again.   Now I don't think we can beat West Ham next week.   How sad is that?

I thought that the appointment of Houllier was a stupid mistake.   I thought that appointing TSM was an administrative blunder of galactic proportions.   But I still believed we would rise again.

These seasons with Lambert have convinced me that Villa have voluntarily accepted a place in the lower orders of the game for strictly financial reasons.   The difference between us and Everton is the difference between Bill Kenwright and Randy Lerner.   The former stretches his own and his club's resources to the limit.   The latter talks to his accountants and takes their advice.

I would like the owner, the board or the manager to give us a sign, any sign, a word, a quip, a gesture that they believe we will rise again.   All we get is the commitment that they are trying not to get any worse while balancing the budget.

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Olaftab

Ha ha I thought so to doing this on a iPad. I touch screen someone's quote goes blue and I copy then paste in my reply.

Go on then what's the right way give me a quick lesson

[pauliewalnuts]

Effectively Michael Cunnah, although his title wasn't CEO.

There's still a gap.  Fitzgerald left in Jan 2008, Cunnah left in May 2008 and Faulkner was appointed in May 2010.  There's a 2 year gap there which coincided with the time things started going pear-shaped for MON.

I know (through work) the person who was at 32 Red (at Director level) who negotiated their sponsorship deal with us (and it was incredibly cheap, btw, cheaper than the figures that got banded around at the time, by far).

He is also a close friend of Richard FitzGerald, and still sees him socially now.

He told me - actual face to face conversation, when i specifically asked him about it, not a random line dropped in an email - that the reason FitzGerald left was that MON pretty much refused to work with him, and made his job impossible.

As far as he was concerned, it was "his" club, and he didn't want anyone else running things.

I would assume that what happened with the CEO position was that it became clear that MON wasn't going to be having it, hence that gap after Cunnah, and when it was eventually filled, it's interesting that it was by someone who was already working with Lerner (and one assumes, would have no illusions about how MON saw his role).

This contact of mine isn't a Villa fan (although all his children now are, following the sponsorship, so he watches us an awful lot still), so wasn't speaking with any natural axe to grind, but he made it absolutely crystal clear what had happened with FitzGerald.

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Olaftab

Ha ha I thought so to doing this on a iPad. I touch screen someone's quote goes blue and I copy then paste in my reply.

Go on then what's the right way give me a quick lesson

It's a ball ache.

I hardly ever use my ipad on here for that reason.

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Pauliewalnuts

Thanks for that info just so much quicker and easier on a ipad

[olaftab]

Olaftab

Ha ha I thought so to doing this on a iPad. I touch screen someone's quote goes blue and I copy then paste in my reply.

Go on then what's the right way give me a quick lesson

On iPad you can go on full site version. The button is usually on the bottom for that and then you will see the "quote" button on top right hand side of every message. Click on that. On normal iPad message number based version there is a dropdown menu, 4 bars in a circle in every message, you can tap on that and then tap on quote.

[Stu]

Jesus Christ no one especially not me is saying anything about the support our support in my view is up there with the best of them and considering our position it must be the best. I come out of villa park not able to speak sometimes but what I'm saying no matter how bad we playing the slagging off don't help. For one game just one game "sing your hearts out for the lads" and as for saying the cost was different back in the 3rd division that means that if you watch crap every week for 90 minutes and only pay a pittance to watch it it's ok.

We get better attendances in the modern era than we ever have done. The support is there, but the team rarely show anything at home. I don't think the level of support, or the support that the fans show, is an issue.

[levico]

@patmurphybbc: Paul Faulkner CEO of @AVFCOfficial  has just told me he's spoken to Randy Lerner,who's rubbished stories that he's looking to sell up.

I doubt if he'd say anything different.
Does anyone know if Lerner denied he was looking to sell the Browns before he actually did?

But if it is true then this is one of the most depressing things I've heard for a long time. Surely we're destined for more of the same until we actually get relegated and some form of revolution has to take place.

[Stu82]

Agree with Bobs points.
When Randy bought us we were going backwards.
I gave up my season ticket in ODreay's last season, it was very poor.
Randy Learner has pulled up to date much of the infrastructure and invested in our heritage.
The Holte pub, training ground, the recognition of the 82 team in our history around the stadium, bringing those players back to the fold.
He did spend a lot of money but fundamently I believe he regonises we have missed the boat, by not cracking the top four in the first 3 seasons. He probably looked at the potential here and the teams at the top and had a plan which didnt quite workout. Now Tottenham, Liverpool and crucially Man city have left us behind, the chances of cracking the top four are beyond us in this league of billionaires and people like Abramovich and the  city owners who have differnt agendas.
RL is probably getting the house in order to sell, and with his stewardship so far I am opptimistic he will sell to someone who will respect our traditions and history.
It has been a frustrating campaign this year and we have not spent a lot on the team, so they are probably at the correct level.
I personally hope we get a hands on new owner (but not one like Tan).
It might sound stupid to some, but I wouldnt want to be a Chelsea or Man City type club, full of plastics and a vanity project.
We are Aston Villa, we have had a rollercoaster history, but the good times will return.

[olaftab]

@patmurphybbc: Paul Faulkner CEO of @AVFCOfficial  has just told me he's spoken to Randy Lerner,who's rubbished stories that he's looking to sell up.

I doubt if he'd say anything different.
Does anyone know if Lerner denied he was looking to sell the Browns before he actually did?

But if it is true then this is one of the most depressing things I've heard for a long time. Surely we're destined for more of the same until we actually get relegated and some form of revolution has to take place.

Well in that case lets all commit mass suicide as its so depressing!