Grant Holt - confirmed on loan

[Concrete John]

I guess I fall into the category who thinks Aston Villa are a big club with pride, ambition and tradition.

I fall into the category who thinks signing one player on a short term loan doesn't have any bearing on the above.

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Will you sit on your hands when he scores because "this is Aston Villa"?

Its not my loyalty in question here. Although we may not be able to shop in Marks & Spencers we are not quite at the Pound Shop level yet. Surely Lamberts judgement is in question here. Who's reserve team have we plucked Holt from?

Is it such a big deal though? Short term cover for a player who has sadly broken his leg? Lambert clearly thinks there is something personality wise he can bring to the dressing room too.

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I guess I fall into the category who thinks Aston Villa are a big club with pride, ambition and tradition.

I fall into the category who thinks signing one player on a short term loan doesn't have any bearing on the above.

These people clearly think so highly of Aston Villa and our apparent tradition, that the signing of one player is capable of undermining the previous 140 years.

These people are colloquially known as Drama Llamas.

[olaftab]

Agree with what you say but just can't get my head around Grant Holt. I guess I fall into the category who thinks Aston Villa are a big club with pride, ambition and tradition. Maybe I'm not in the real world.

Listen friend.....we are all friends on here. Holt signing has nothing to do with us abandoning the Villa heritage or end of young only policy. Lambert has made a pragmatic signing on short term to address a particular issue. He knows the player and thinks he can do a job as and when required. Fergie and others have done similar things in the past. So please have a drink and relax. I wish you a peaceful day.

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There is no needle in our side or squad whatsoever. Look at Monday's game. Arsenal spent more time rolling around and moaning to the referee than they did anything else.

That's true, but what I don't get is why, if we want a player to provide that, we opt to sign one who is almost certainly not going to be playing for us much (see comments about him being back up to  Benteke)

That where I don't get it. Surely if we wanted a player for experience and ability to give as good as he gets on the pitch, it would have made more sense to get one who will actually be on the pitch in the first place?

I appreciate he'll be around training and the dressing room, too, but if that's the intention, it seems a curious way to spend wages money.

Oh well, let's see.

They only play a game for 90 minutes and that is all we see. Wiltshire doesn't turn up on a weekend and suddenly become a whinging bellend, he works on it all week.

[Clampy]

I guess I fall into the category who thinks Aston Villa are a big club with pride, ambition and tradition.

I fall into the category who thinks signing one player on a short term loan doesn't have any bearing on the above.

These people clearly think so highly of Aston Villa and our apparent tradition, that the signing of one player is capable of undermining the previous 140 years.

These people are colloquially known as Drama Llamas.

Drama Llamas is a mighty fine name for a band.

[adrenachrome]

There is no needle in our side or squad whatsoever. Look at Monday's game. Arsenal spent more time rolling around and moaning to the referee than they did anything else.

That's true, but what I don't get is why, if we want a player to provide that, we opt to sign one who is almost certainly not going to be playing for us much (see comments about him being back up to  Benteke)

That where I don't get it. Surely if we wanted a player for experience and ability to give as good as he gets on the pitch, it would have made more sense to get one who will actually be on the pitch in the first place?

I appreciate he'll be around training and the dressing room, too, but if that's the intention, it seems a curious way to spend wages money.

Oh well, let's see.

They only play a game for 90 minutes and that is all we see. Wiltshire doesn't turn up on a weekend and suddenly become a whinging bellend, he works on it all week.

You can see from his surly, gormless face that it is a way of life for him.

[not3bad]

I guess I fall into the category who thinks Aston Villa are a big club with pride, ambition and tradition.

I fall into the category who thinks signing one player on a short term loan doesn't have any bearing on the above.

These people clearly think so highly of Aston Villa and our apparent tradition, that the signing of one player is capable of undermining the previous 140 years.

These people are colloquially known as Drama Llamas.

Drama Llamas is a mighty fine name for a band.

I would call their first album "Those Evil Traitorous Farmers".

[Chris Harte]

I suppose I could take the attitude that signing Grant Holt on a loan deal worth a reported £30k approx, p/w until the end of the season is a backward step for Aston Villa.

Alternatively, I could balance that loan signing against the news of the permanent transfer out of our famous old club of that Stephen Ireland bloke who was reportedly "earning" £65k approx. p/w.

On balance, I'd say I'm rather happy with what 14th January 2014 had in store for our club. And now that the last of the detritus from the O'Neill/immediately post-O'Neill era has departed, perhaps the club's custodian will finally be open to a bit of sensible, balanced expenditure on player wages, rather than the previous policies of (firstly) throwing money at the club and (latterly) trying to run it on a shoestring.

[not3bad]

I suppose I could take the attitude that signing Grant Holt on a loan deal worth a reported £30k approx, p/w until the end of the season is a backward step for Aston Villa.

Where has it been reported that Holt will be on these wages?

[Chris Harte]

I suppose I could take the attitude that signing Grant Holt on a loan deal worth a reported £30k approx, p/w until the end of the season is a backward step for Aston Villa.

Where has it been reported that Holt will be on these wages?

Well £28.5k p/w was the figure I think I saw. I can't remember where and I have no idea if its true or not.

[levico]

I guess the context here is what other 'signings' will Lambert make during January. If Holt is the only one (which I doubt if he is) then that would be a sad reflection of where we are as a football club.

We'll wait and see.

[Dave]

I suppose I could take the attitude that signing Grant Holt on a loan deal worth a reported £30k approx, p/w until the end of the season is a backward step for Aston Villa.

Where has it been reported that Holt will be on these wages?

Well £28.5k p/w was the figure I think I saw. I can't remember where and I have no idea if its true or not.

Why is it so certain that (assuming those are his wages at Wigan) we are covering them all?

For most of the players that we send out on loan it's well reported that we end up covering a sizeable chunk of them, I don't see why it's a given that we're paying 100% of Holt's wages.

[Chris Harte]

I suppose I could take the attitude that signing Grant Holt on a loan deal worth a reported £30k approx, p/w until the end of the season is a backward step for Aston Villa.

Where has it been reported that Holt will be on these wages?

Well £28.5k p/w was the figure I think I saw. I can't remember where and I have no idea if its true or not.

Why is it so certain that (assuming those are his wages at Wigan) we are covering them all?

For most of the players that we send out on loan it's well reported that we end up covering a sizeable chunk of them, I don't see why it's a given that we're paying 100% of Holt's wages.

Well that something that I'd not considered. But whether we are or aren't, my point remains -  that yesterday was a good day for the club.

[JUAN PABLO]

I really think some people are using the fact that we've signed some cover for a player that was injured in training last week as a reason to attack PL.

Fine is we sign no one else, BUT as cover for Kozak (and considering the financial constraints at the Club) I don't see a problem.

I think 28k a week for GH is alot