Der Hammer

[oldham_villa]

Fair play PC

I'm gay myself, but play football, get involved in active stuff. I've learned to turn a blind eye to humorous quips, and can take a joke. Hopefully one day things will improve. The church don't help, as demonstrated in your post, the hypocritical bastards.

It's affected my life, as I'm not sure I've accepted it, but hey ho. I just try to get on with travel and other stuff.

Very pleasing to read so many mature posts on here, fair play to you all :-)

[pauliewalnuts]

Saw this posted on facebook yesterday, very interesting read
http://reflectionsasia.wordpress.com/2007/09/11/graeme-le-saux-how-gay-slurs-almost-wrecked-my-career/

Crikey, that's a pretty moving read.

[PeterWithesShin]

That Le Saux piece is a very good read. Thanks for posting it.

[TopDeck113]

Excellent piece by Graeme Le Saux.  Says a lot about the culture of football and the people who play it.  I wonder if it is that much different a couple of decades on?

[Dave Cooper please]

Saw this posted on facebook yesterday, very interesting read
http://reflectionsasia.wordpress.com/2007/09/11/graeme-le-saux-how-gay-slurs-almost-wrecked-my-career/

Crikey, that's a pretty moving read.

It's astonishing isn't it? Some of those Le Saux has mentioned are now high profile pundits, Savage and Fowler for instance, they need to be bought up on this I reckon.

[Monty]

I thought it was interesting that Le Saux named them, and quite correct too - they don't deserve anonymity.

[Dave Cooper please]

Fair play PC

I'm gay myself, but play football, get involved in active stuff. I've learned to turn a blind eye to humorous quips, and can take a joke. Hopefully one day things will improve. The church don't help, as demonstrated in your post, the hypocritical bastards.

It's affected my life, as I'm not sure I've accepted it, but hey ho. I just try to get on with travel and other stuff.

Very pleasing to read so many mature posts on here, fair play to you all :-)

I like to think that, in general, H&V has a more accepting and mature membership than most football forums. I feel we've proved that over many years and many debates.

[Chico Hamilton III]

Saw this posted on facebook yesterday, very interesting read
http://reflectionsasia.wordpress.com/2007/09/11/graeme-le-saux-how-gay-slurs-almost-wrecked-my-career/

Crikey, that's a pretty moving read.

It's astonishing isn't it? Some of those Le Saux has mentioned are now high profile pundits, Savage and Fowler for instance, they need to be bought up on this I reckon.

Le Saux was on radio 4 this morning ( don't read anything into the fact that I listen to Radio 4) and he said that Fowler apologised to him recently and he accepted it.

[Ron Manager]

Trying to protect his pundit career then. What Fowler did whether Le Saux was gay or not gay was sickening and I thought so at the time.

Der Hammer didnt have to go through what Le Saux did. And he wasnt gay. Fowler should be kicked off the BBC with immense haste.

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

A really honest and moving piece of writing.
Le Saux being intelligent and not falling into the stereotype of his fellow "professionals" seemed to be his big sin. And he's right to name names. Yes, it would be interesting to see how Savage responds when the subject is inevitably raised on 606.
I have seen similar almost every day of my teaching career and am amazed at how such attitudes are so ingrained in our society that they are considered totally acceptable by so many "innocent " youngsters, even some of my colleagues.
There's still a long way to go but I like to think we are getting there, albeit slowly.

[Dave]

Saw this posted on facebook yesterday, very interesting read
http://reflectionsasia.wordpress.com/2007/09/11/graeme-le-saux-how-gay-slurs-almost-wrecked-my-career/

Crikey, that's a pretty moving read.

It's astonishing isn't it? Some of those Le Saux has mentioned are now high profile pundits, Savage and Fowler for instance, they need to be bought up on this I reckon.

Apparently Robbie Fowler send Le Saux a written apology a couple of months ago.

Doesn't make it right, but at least people are seeing the error of their ways.

Edit: as Chico has already pointed out above.

[Dave Cooper please]

See also spk of this very parish.

If we can educate just one or two bigots then we are doing well,

[Monty]

Just compare the reaction to Hitz's coming out to that which greeted Justin Fashanu and I think we can safely say that times have changed, and significantly for the better.

[saunders_heroes]

I see the ex Blues player Michael Johnson has quit an FA advisory panel on anti discrimination because it came to light that just last year he claimed he wouldn't back an FA anti homophobia initiative because he found homosexuality "despicable".  Yet he's got the nerve to say he'll still carry on his work on anti discrimination.
The mind boggles!

[saunders_heroes]

Trying to protect his pundit career then. What Fowler did whether Le Saux was gay or not gay was sickening and I thought so at the time.

Der Hammer didnt have to go through what Le Saux did. And he wasnt gay. Fowler should be kicked off the BBC with immense haste.

A cynic may suggest he apologised just to protect his new job as a pundit on the BBC.