Lambert's Vision for Villa

[Ron Manager]

I dont know why we are moaning. Look at Wolves. Their fans dislike Jackett with an intensity that some on this forum could only dream of.
For the top of table clash against Orient he dropped 13 goal  leading scorer Griffiths and replaced him with someone who couldnt score in a month of Sundays

They are second!

and they hate the owner!

football fans eh!

[saunders_heroes]

I dont know why we are moaning. Look at Wolves. Their fans dislike Jackett with an intensity that some on this forum could only dream of.
For the top of table clash against Orient he dropped 13 goal  leading scorer Griffiths and replaced him with someone who couldnt score in a month of Sundays

They are second!

and they hate the owner!

football fans eh!

If your team is in League One but was in the Premier just two seasons earlier would you really be surprised if the fans were still a bit pissed off about things?

[JUAN PABLO]

I must admit when I see a Martinez being interview , my ears pick up and enjoy listening to what he says , very knowledgeable , like able  always enthusiastic and this  obvious rubs off onto the team ,  now when Lambert comes on now , I normally walk out the room , dour man and now dour team .

[Smirker]

I was going to start a thread for this but figured it fits here.

What exactly are our finances like? Randy is worth 1.1bn according to Wiki but I'm assuming that includes us, so roughly 1bn.

[pauliewalnuts]

I think there is nothing wrong with having a vision, or a target, every club needs an objective, and a certain amount of time in which to do it.

I do think, though, that that is different from having a "plan" over a set period of time, mostly because football is so unpredictable. You won't get a better example of that than Man City's sudden change from high spending laughing stock under Shinawatra, to richest club in the world under Mansour.

You can't really have a plan and stick to it with much rigidity when you're operating in an environment which can change so much like that, so randomly, due to factors you have no way at all of influencing.

I think that what the club needs to be careful of is not just the obvious stuff (not getting relegated, for example), but also stuff like keeping the fans onside. Ultimately, with everyone on-side, you have a much better chance of reaching those aims.

The problem is that, right now, with this dreadful run of form, people are looking at similar periods last season and wondering how much has changed. I don't really think there's much point in referring to last Christmas and that 13-0 period, because this christmas, we're not playing the same sides.

However, if you look at some of the statistics available regarding us, especially at home, they are truly dreadful. Worst home record over three years of any side in the top six European leagues. I won't quote them all, but there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Villa fans, more than almost anyone, have had a truly awful time of it over the last three years.

Lambert can't be blamed for all of that, as he's been here a season and a half, and was managing Norwich when these unwanted records started to be set.

What they need to do, however, is understand that people will not give their support unconditionally. Football supporters are just not like that any more - you can roll out the "fickle" thing all you like, but that's just what fans are like, everywhere, we are nothing different in that respect.

It worries me when I hear Lambert start to hint at arsiness with the supporters, or Culverhouse trading insults, because you start to think that maybe they don't understand how testing this has all been for us.

Last year, they got more obvious support, partly because it was only year one, rather than year two, but also partly because people could see that although the results were frequently terrible, there were other signs of progress being made.

This season, that isn't the case. We appear to have forgotten the basics. You can roll out the "possession stats don't determine results" thing all you like, but the fact is, a team which spends so much time without the ball, and has such a dreadful pass completion rate is never going to do very well.

If they can at least fix that, give us something to be hopeful about that, start doing the basics properly, that support will come back very quickly indeed, but if they can't do that, then it doesn't really matter how they see themselves achieving their aims, they're not going to find many people believing them.

[pauliewalnuts]

I was going to start a thread for this but figured it fits here.

What exactly are our finances like? Randy is worth 1.1bn according to Wiki but I'm assuming that includes us, so roughly 1bn.

Randy's net worth and Villa's finances are not the same thing.

[Steve67]

I must admit when I see a Martinez being interview , my ears pick up and enjoy listening to what he says , very knowledgeable , like able  always enthusiastic and this  obvious rubs off onto the team ,  now when Lambert comes on now , I normally walk out the room , dour man and now dour team .

What I find interesting is that Martinez has now become too big for us when last year, many on here said they didn't want him because of this or that.   Whelan sounded like a complete dick when he talked him up, yet, now I know he was right to do so.  Now, I would swap them in a heart beat.  Although, to be absolutely fair, last year, I also wanted Paul Lambert.

[Smirker]

I was going to start a thread for this but figured it fits here.

What exactly are our finances like? Randy is worth 1.1bn according to Wiki but I'm assuming that includes us, so roughly 1bn.

Randy's net worth and Villa's finances are not the same thing.

Alright, so what are our finances like?

[john e]

I was going to start a thread for this but figured it fits here.

What exactly are our finances like? Randy is worth 1.1bn according to Wiki but I'm assuming that includes us, so roughly 1bn.

Randy's net worth and Villa's finances are not the same thing.

Alright, so what are our finances like?

our wage bill is definitely below that of Spurs at the moment

[Smirker]

Cheers mate, bit of a surprise that one.

[eastie]

I was going to start a thread for this but figured it fits here.

What exactly are our finances like? Randy is worth 1.1bn according to Wiki but I'm assuming that includes us, so roughly 1bn.

Randy's net worth and Villa's finances are not the same thing.

Alright, so what are our finances like?

our wage bill is definitely below that of Spurs at the moment

I look on us as similar in stature and size to everton - I wonder how we compare wages wise to them as kenwrights always been frugal with his  expenditure but they have remained around the top 6 for a long time .

[eastie]

Cheers mate, bit of a surprise that one.

Why are you surprised our wage bill is lower than spurs? They have made several big signings in recent months.

[BoskoDjembaSalifou]

Lambert rarely talks about performances and always goes on about the results. That worries me, surely he knows we're not playing well?

[JUAN PABLO]

I must admit when I see a Martinez being interview , my ears pick up and enjoy listening to what he says , very knowledgeable , like able  always enthusiastic and this  obvious rubs off onto the team ,  now when Lambert comes on now , I normally walk out the room , dour man and now dour team .

What I find interesting is that Martinez has now become too big for us when last year, many on here said they didn't want him because of this or that.   Whelan sounded like a complete dick when he talked him up, yet, now I know he was right to do so.  Now, I would swap them in a heart beat.  Although, to be absolutely fair, last year, I also wanted Paul Lambert.

I didnt think we would get Martinez . It seemed to be PL or OGS   and to be honest , even thou OSG sounded exciting and I liked that idea , I wanted Lambert because of the premiership experience , a little MON ( I know ) and a bit Dortmund in there but some exciting games and slowly work us into a good solid prem team .   Now I have doubts . 

[dicedlam]

I think there is nothing wrong with having a vision, or a target, every club needs an objective, and a certain amount of time in which to do it.

I do think, though, that that is different from having a "plan" over a set period of time, mostly because football is so unpredictable. You won't get a better example of that than Man City's sudden change from high spending laughing stock under Shinawatra, to richest club in the world under Mansour.

You can't really have a plan and stick to it with much rigidity when you're operating in an environment which can change so much like that, so randomly, due to factors you have no way at all of influencing.

I think that what the club needs to be careful of is not just the obvious stuff (not getting relegated, for example), but also stuff like keeping the fans onside. Ultimately, with everyone on-side, you have a much better chance of reaching those aims.

The problem is that, right now, with this dreadful run of form, people are looking at similar periods last season and wondering how much has changed. I don't really think there's much point in referring to last Christmas and that 13-0 period, because this christmas, we're not playing the same sides.

However, if you look at some of the statistics available regarding us, especially at home, they are truly dreadful. Worst home record over three years of any side in the top six European leagues. I won't quote them all, but there is plenty of evidence to suggest that Villa fans, more than almost anyone, have had a truly awful time of it over the last three years.

Lambert can't be blamed for all of that, as he's been here a season and a half, and was managing Norwich when these unwanted records started to be set.

What they need to do, however, is understand that people will not give their support unconditionally. Football supporters are just not like that any more - you can roll out the "fickle" thing all you like, but that's just what fans are like, everywhere, we are nothing different in that respect.

It worries me when I hear Lambert start to hint at arsiness with the supporters, or Culverhouse trading insults, because you start to think that maybe they don't understand how testing this has all been for us.

Last year, they got more obvious support, partly because it was only year one, rather than year two, but also partly because people could see that although the results were frequently terrible, there were other signs of progress being made.

This season, that isn't the case. We appear to have forgotten the basics. You can roll out the "possession stats don't determine results" thing all you like, but the fact is, a team which spends so much time without the ball, and has such a dreadful pass completion rate is never going to do very well.

If they can at least fix that, give us something to be hopeful about that, start doing the basics properly, that support will come back very quickly indeed, but if they can't do that, then it doesn't really matter how they see themselves achieving their aims, they're not going to find many people believing them.

Great post paulie.