Aston Villa v Swansea City Post-Match Thread

[RussellC]

It irks me whenever Lamber talks about how much bravery it require to "take the ball in front of 40,000 fans" as surely that's the exact reason not to omit any kind of top-flight experience from your team.

[Witton Warrior]

I think all this bollocks about the crowd on their back is rubbish - these players have been very very poor , the crowd have been fantastic with their support - there are many things wrong at this club and the crowd are not one of them .

Well thank you for that constructive argument!!!

So what exactly are we "supposed" to do Ad@m? This smacks of being passive cash-cows who turn up to be part of the entertainment. I am an active participant in this club and as I can't get on the pitch try and be involved as much as possible.

Do I boo? On 2 occasions in the last 20 years - 4 minutes from the end of the Bolton match when we let TSM know how we felt about the most disastrous home campaign in Villa history and on Boxing Day when we lost again to a terrible side who could have beaten by 3 clear goals easily - I'm only human FFS!

[JUAN PABLO]

I think most players are clued up enough to know that booing is done out of frustration.

You're probably right but it's hardly a morale or confidence booster!

I thought the fans really tried to pick them up through the second half but when a player cant pass to another player , Im afraid its the managers fault and not the fans.

[Ads]

It's the players fault.

[eastie]

It's the players fault.

Players managers and coaches fault - not the fans!

[andyh]

I must admit, the booing argument is really starting to piss me off (see todays write up in the Meaning evil). 
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/aston-villa-1-swansea-city-6451776
The reporter makes it seem that the crowd spend every minute of every game booing, which as we know, is bollocks.

That said, what is wrong if people want to boo what they perceive is poor quality football, topped off with abysmal results?
People are a lot more discerning that they were years ago.
People are far more clued up and switched on to the fact that MOST footballers in the game are merely employees of the club they are playing for with little or no deep felt attachment to the club.
Most footballers (at any club) would move at the drop of a hat for more pay or better prospects.

The days of unconditional love and support from the man in the stands has gone.
We will always love and support the club, but the team needs to realise that they need to deliver performances and results that the fans demand.

Why should players be immune from criticism, individually or collectively, just because they play for our club ?


       
     

[eastie]

I must admit, the booing argument is really starting to piss me off (see todays write up in the Meaning evil). 
http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/aston-villa-1-swansea-city-6451776
The reporter makes it seem that the crowd spend every minute of every game booing, which as we know, is bollocks.

That said, what is wrong if people want to boo what they perceive is poor quality football, topped off with abysmal results?
People are a lot more discerning that they were years ago.
People are far more clued up and switched on to the fact that MOST footballers in the game are merely employees of the club they are playing for with little or no deep felt attachment to the club.
Most footballers (at any club) would move at the drop of a hat for more pay or better prospects.

The days of unconditional love and support from the man in the stands has gone.
We will always love and support the club, but the team needs to realise that they need to deliver performances and results that the fans demand.

Why should players be immune from criticism, individually or collectively, just because they play for our club ?


       
     

Spot on !

[Clampy]

I've never booed at a game. I understand why people do it out of frustration though, despite what good it does.

[Richard E]

I don't like booing individual players, not least as if someone makes a mistake getting on their back won't help anything, and think that during the match itself you should get behind the team for the duration. I don't even find it very constructive to boo at half time. At the end of the game though I do think that if people want to vent their spleen they are entitled to.

Whilst I don't generally join in after some of the dross we have put up with in recent years I am to be honest a bit past caring whether the players like it when people boo or not. 

[silhillvilla]

It irks me whenever Lamber talks about how much bravery it require to "take the ball in front of 40,000 fans" as surely that's the exact reason not to omit any kind of top-flight experience from your team.

Yep. Clearly feeling the pressure as his post match interviews make less sense each week. Dead man walking IMHO.

[Pat McMahon]

I've said for a while we need experience and a greater physical presence - since before xmas last year. One other element to this is that Lambert needs to ensure we have a sufficient number of strong characters in the club, players who will seek the ball and not hide even when playing badly. We don't have enough of them.

Re the booing, I think there has been very little this season. There was an outbreak against Palace on 80 mins when Baker just hoofed a ball 50m to their keeper with no Villa player within 25m of the ball and again after their goal. Against Swansea what sounded like booing from where I was sat in the North Stand was their fans shouting "hoof" when one of our playmakers launched a speculative punt upfield..

[rob_bridge]

Booing before or during the game inlcuding half time is counterproductive.

By all means do it at the end of the game if you feel the efforts of players and coaching team has been sub standard.

[Stu]

I don't like booing individual players, not least as if someone makes a mistake getting on their back won't help anything, and think that during the match itself you should get behind the team for the duration. I don't even find it very constructive to boo at half time. At the end of the game though I do think that if people want to vent their spleen they are entitled to.

Whilst I don't generally join in after some of the dross we have put up with in recent years I am to be honest a bit past caring whether the players like it when people boo or not. 

I agree with all this. If it's been shit, boo at the end. I couldn't understand why there was booing at the final whistle on Saturday though, we'd got a point against a decent team who probably should have won.

Having said that, there's only one way to stop people booing; stop playing like shit and getting poor results.

[Richard E]

I've said for a while we need experience and a greater physical presence - since before xmas last year. One other element to this is that Lambert needs to ensure we have a sufficient number of strong characters in the club, players who will seek the ball and not hide even when playing badly. We don't have enough of them.

Re the booing, I think there has been very little this season. There was an outbreak against Palace on 80 mins when Baker just hoofed a ball 50m to their keeper with no Villa player within 25m of the ball and again after their goal. Against Swansea what sounded like booing from where I was sat in the North Stand was their fans shouting "hoof" when one of our playmakers launched a speculative punt upfield..

We have playmakers???!!??

[damon loves JT]

If people aren't allowed to boo, then the cheering is meaningless. Wearing a Poppy in November would be meaningless if it were compulsory.