Aston Villa v Swansea City Post-Match Thread

[paulcomben]

As the pressure mounts, the curtain seems to be pulled back further on Randy's real plan and purpose, via Lambo's comments. Spend little, stay in the league, collect the TV money. OK, but as the coach he must have promised that he could mould a bunch of lower league cheapsters into a decent side. Like Swansea or Southampton or even Everton.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Look, I know it's a bit trite and is the sort of thing people often come out with after a few bad results or iffy performances, but the thing is, it's actually true: the squad we currently have is Championship standard. Literally. Vlaar, Gabby and Benteke are guaranteed Premier League level players, maybe Delph too, but nobody else is. Quite simply, Lambert needs to buy some more talented footballers. If he can't find them, then he should be held responsible, and if Lerner won't pay for them, then he should be held responsible.

Either way, something needs to happen in this transfer window, because the powers that be are playing Russian roulette with the club's future and sooner or later they will lose and we'll end up playing league games at places like Oakwell and the Keepmoat fucking Stadium.

You have to add Guzan into that list.

[aev]

I thought PL said that whilst the fans have high expectations they also need to be realistic and that times have changed. He also mentioned that the first 2 years would be very tough and that we are not yet through that period.

If he did indeed say this then at least he is being honest. He could after all mean that we aren't going to be spunking cash like O'Neill did, at least in the foreseeable future.

[eastie]

The only bigger club below us he could possibly mean is sunderland and if he thinks they are a bigger club than villa i find that quite sad.

Didn't he say big clubs rather than bigger? Either way it's a shit thing to say mind.

Yes you are correct pws , just edited.

[Mazrim]

How long it will take for what? If this is 18 months into the project, what are the ultimate aims of this project? To ruin Aston Villa completely and utterly? To make match days at Villa Park totally joyless? If it's not either of these thing I fail to see progress.

[Monty]

When people say 'the players are all Championship standard' then give a list of quite a few good players we have (in which they leave out players who have done well in the past), they're really saying that 'we have good players, the coaching's just inadequate.'

[Villa in Denmark]

I've now dared to come within viewing range of a TV and am watching Cardiff v Sunderland. 2 desperately mediocre teams at best. But at meat you can see, there is some sort of coherent plan to their play. Players who can find space in the middle and final third. Players who don't shit themselves whenever they receive the ball within 2 yards of another player.

Depressed.

[Monty]

I've now dared to come within viewing range of a TV and am watching Cardiff v Sunderland. 2 desperately mediocre teams at best. But at meat you can see, there is some sort of coherent plan to their play. Players who can find space in the middle and final third. Players who don't shit themselves whenever they receive the ball within 2 yards of another player.

Depressed.

This is an interesting point. Maybe Randy does watch all our games - he just doesn't watch any football outside of us, so doesn't know what it's really meant to look like.

[richtheholtender]

Everything I thought would happen only we didn't lose.

[VinnieChase84]

I can't help but think that when your assistant starts trading insults with fans, and you start coming out with stuff like that interview tonight, we are approaching the beginning of the end.

Hope so. Just can't see him being given the boot. Even if we lose every game until Feb I can't see him going :-(
Liverpool and Arsenal are going to have a field day.
Sunderland will see it as must win

[onje_villa]

God this is depressing. Those comments are incredibly defensive. I don't want to hear our manager playing down our chances, our future. I want to hear fighting talk. I want to be looking up and not down.

Since when has it become acceptable for Aston Villa to be bottom feeders in the premier league? Hearing it from the managers mouth is incredibly upsetting.

[eastie]

I've now dared to come within viewing range of a TV and am watching Cardiff v Sunderland. 2 desperately mediocre teams at best. But at meat you can see, there is some sort of coherent plan to their play. Players who can find space in the middle and final third. Players who don't shit themselves whenever they receive the ball within 2 yards of another player.

Depressed.

This is an interesting point. Maybe Randy does watch all our games - he just doesn't watch any football outside of us, so doesn't know what it's really meant to look like.

He just needs to watch our opponents .

[Herman]

What I would like to hear from Lambert after yet another piss poor performance is something that reflects the truth. Something along the lines of accepting that we are playing poorly and the fans rightly expect more. Just some recognition of just how bad we are and some realistic positivity in how he is attempting to address it.
Instead we are just fed more trite nonsense about big clubs, modern football, living in the past and stats meaning nothing. Meaningless bullshit from someone who takes no responsibility, doesn't even seem to acknowledge the problems, clearly has no idea of what is wrong and is equally clueless on how to address the current situation.
Time to go. 

[SamTheMouse]

When people say 'the players are all Championship standard' then give a list of quite a few good players we have (in which they leave out players who have done well in the past), they're really saying that 'we have good players, the coaching's just inadequate.'

I'm not sure. Maybe if they were better coached they would look more convincing, but let's put it this way: if we were to find ourselves in the Championship next season, with that squad, do you think we would dominate the division? I don't.

It's fine for a Premier League side to have a few players like that in its squad, but we simply have far too many, and not enough confirmed talent.

[Kevin_Brum12]

"Eighteen months into the project"?   What is the objective of this project?  Villa doing a Wolves and ending up in League One? 

The calls Lambert is making to Lerner must be like those of a deranged First World War General with enemy troops totally surrounding him, having lost all of his best men.