Stoke City v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

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The difference between Aston Villa being a 12th to 8th side, quality of football notwithstanding, is Ron Vlaar and Jose Okore.

If Vlaar stays fit at Southampton, we win 3-0. If Vlaar is on the pitch yesterday, we win one nil.

Baker is nowhere near up to it at this level and it's costing us as it did last winter.

Thank gripes we have Palace next to drill some confidence pre-Swansea.

The midfield is a player short, especially when you have the excellent Kozak making room, finding space and working hard in need of more service. But it's all built on sand with Baker at the back.

Why we tried to out Stoke the truly awful Stoke I don't know.

But us a centre half. Then a number 10, then we can make more concrete stands physically shudder by singing and jumping after Kozak has scored again.

That said, as bad as we were, Stoke we're no better and yet again a weak referee and some cheating has proper shafted us.

[john in oz]

could not agree more about baker,out of his depth,we need to start looking at midfield and defence,which is shit

[paul_e]

good summing up Ads, I agree totally on the central defence, it's very easy to criticise the squad but no one plans to lose a central defender for the season as early as we did, that just isn't sensible, we got really unlucky with Okore and it's costing us at the minute.

I also agree totally on Kozak, I'm sold on him completely, I think he'll do very well for us over the next few years if we can learn how to use him.

[supertom]

Gabby on the left, Albrighton on the right, Kozak through the middle against Palace.

I'd like to see Gary Gardner getting a game in midfield. We need 3 in there and I'd rather not see KEA in there for a while. Sylla has been poor this season too.

[PaulWinch again]

The difference between Aston Villa being a 12th to 8th side, quality of football notwithstanding, is Ron Vlaar and Jose Okore.

If Vlaar stays fit at Southampton, we win 3-0. If Vlaar is on the pitch yesterday, we win one nil.

Baker is nowhere near up to it at this level and it's costing us as it did last winter.

Thank gripes we have Palace next to drill some confidence pre-Swansea.

The midfield is a player short, especially when you have the excellent Kozak making room, finding space and working hard in need of more service. But it's all built on sand with Baker at the back.

Why we tried to out Stoke the truly awful Stoke I don't know.

But us a centre half. Then a number 10, then we can make more concrete stands physically shudder by singing and jumping after Kozak has scored again.

That said, as bad as we were, Stoke we're no better and yet again a weak referee and some cheating has proper shafted us.

I agree, Baker is a real problem. Our full back options aren't good enough either and the lack of creativity is a big worry.

[taylorsworkrate]

I've come to the conclusion with Baker, that one of the reserve defenders should be playing ahead of him. They surely can't be any worse?

[supertom]

I've come to the conclusion with Baker, that one of the reserve defenders should be playing ahead of him. They surely can't be any worse?

See also KEA, Tonev, Bowery. I'll be kind and stop there.

[eastie]

I've come to the conclusion with Baker, that one of the reserve defenders should be playing ahead of him. They surely can't be any worse?

Donacien should be on the bench at least.

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I think Tonev must have an unusually heavy head as that's the only explanation I can come up with for why he always appears to be off balance.

[ChicagoLion]

I think Tonev must have an unusually heavy head as that's the only explanation I can come up with for why he always appears to be off balance.

Made me laugh.


Tonev is one of the worst players I have seen in a Villa Shirt, yet Lambert keeps playing him.

[Legion]

There have been far, far worse over the years.

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Don let hyperbolic shite get in the way of wasting good bandwidth Legion.

[Legion]

I admit he's not great by any stretch of the imagination.

[Legion]

MotD

[ChicagoLion]

Don let hyperbolic shite get in the way of wasting good bandwidth Legion.

I said one of the worst, he is  without doubt one of the worst but yes I could come up with some other awful Villa players.