Stoke City v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Deano's Mullet]

for any one like me who was either too depressed or didn't want to sit through Manchester United and City thrashing teams on MOTD last night just to see our game right at the death, I found the goals on youtube.

[Clampy]

I couldn't see us losing that at half time yesterday, I thought Stoke were absolutely dire in the first half. Although I've seen us play  a lot worse, we should be picking up at least a point against teams like that. I hope he has some players lined up in January because we need them.

[curlytailavfc]

50 years ive been going to villa park i see one real problem the feckin owner tight fisted yankee twat came here with great intentions but words mean jack

What does £300 million mean then?

divided by how many years and how much do the big clubs spend I wouldnt mind if he ever came to villa park but he avoids the place

[Clampy]

When I find myself awake at 3-15 am worrying about a football club then it concerns me .
I really hope we get 2 results this week or we could find ourselves in deep trouble .

I'd be very depressed if I let the Villa bother me that much. I'm on here purely because I'm having a smoke break from a film. Much as I love the Villa, there are hundreds of things that would keep me up, but Villa losing isn't one of them.

Same here. Once a game has gone, it's gone. Chatted about it on the coach on the way back, then it was more or less forgotten by the time we got to the pub.

Oh and Chincilla B, fantastic post.

[olaftab]

Come back at 9am and you will see all sort of reports through rose-tinted spectacles.

You mean things you don't agree with?  You mean when people have had the chance to sleep on it and come back with rational points of view rather than simply unleash

CB without quoting the entire excellent post thank you for taking time to write this. It would have been so much easier to just write  "same old shit....sack him now" and be applauded by the doomsday merchants rather than appreciated by "rose-tinted" wearers.

[baddowvillans]

I completely agree that unduly aggressive, vulgar or offensive posts are not welcome here BUT we can't expect everyone to agree and the moment views seem to be polarised around Lambert. I respect (and admire) other peoples ability to find comfort when we were tenth even though if you judged the football we were in trouble. Now we are just one point ahead of last seasons dire performance and we draw comfort from not being bottom. I just don't think we should wait until we are there to make changes. I have acknowledged many times that Lambert won't be sacked and even if he did a new manager would have no more money but I just can't ever see him making the difference. I DO however believe if he can get say 5 points or more from the next three games it makes sense to continue but say pick up a single point then no. There are coaches who could get more out of these players to the end of the season and then we can "go again".  For all that I will be making my 180 mile journey in hope on Boxing Day UTV

[Legion]

I hate it when we lose.  I hate it when we’re crap. But the thing I hate about it most of all, more than the fact that I can’t bear to watch the highlights, more than not wanting to read the reports, more than worrying about where we’re heading, the thing I hate most of all about being beaten is coming on this forum and seeing some of the vicious unthinking bile that people contribute to the discussion.  I respect everyone’s right to an opinion even if I don’t agree with it; what I don’t respect is relentless unconstructive negativity and vitriolic abuse.   

It’s obviously not everyone, thankfully I think the majority of people on this thread do try to be constructive in trying to fathom what the hell is going on at the moment. There have been some brilliant posts on here tonight.  Unfortunately there is an increasing number who seemingly can hardly wait to put the boot in.  Even when we win it’s because we were lucky; we deserved to lose, let’s not go and enjoy ourselves or anything.

I’m sick of people moving the goalposts like this; last season we didn’t have enough points at this stage – hence we were going down.  This season we’ve got more points on the board – now we’re not playing well enough, hence we’re going down.  Last season our defence was taking us down.  This season it’s the lack of goals we score.  I’m sick of people being so eager to find fault, I’m sick of people refusing to give credit where it’s due, I’m sick of people ignoring facts and statistics where they counteract their argument, I’m sick of angry feckers giving rude and sarcastic responses to anyone who dares to question their ire, and I’m sick of seeing anyone who posts a measured and considered message being leapt upon and called an apologist for Lambert.  As for the personal abuse, well that’s just uncalled for; some of the match threads are vile.  If some of you are as aggressive and obnoxious in real life as you come across on here then I‘m glad we’ve never met.   And don’t give me the excuse that you’re pissed off.  We’re all pissed off.  We don’t all behave like you, thankfully.  I hope none of you have pets of kickable size.  In fact, I pity all your families if that’s what you’re like whenever we don’t win a match with the panache of Brazil 1970.

We’re all Villa supporters, right?  We support the team, we support the club, well how about we support each other a bit as well?  You know, letting off steam when appropriate, having a laugh when appropriate, in short, gauging the mood of our fellow Villa fans and engaging with them in a manner that is appropriate.  As opposed to just getting angry and turning on people who might actually empathise with your point of view.  I know I’d find defeats easier to bear if I could come on here and be part of some reasoned debate and exchange some gallows humour.  These days a visit to the match and post-match threads makes every defeat feel worse.  That’s not right.  If I want to read mindless slagging off of Lambert I’ll go to the Small Heath forum.  I don’t want to see it here.

If you’ve got nothing useful to say then please don’t post.  This will sound simplistic, and that’s because it is: go and do something else instead.  Get a new hobby.  Go and visit some old folks in a hospice.  Go to an owl sanctuary.  Take yourself away, do something different and get some perspective. Do anything you like, just stop poisoning this site with your bad tempers.  It doesn't help.     

Stands. Applauds. Awards post of the month.

[Chris Smith]

Any side outside the top 2 or 3 would find it difficult with so many players injured at the same time, particularly when it is your two first choice strikers and centre backs. I suspect that with the number of games coming so close together at this time of year Lambert is managing his squad and so I am hoping to see a stronger line up on Boxing Day.

That said we were the better side in the first half and they shaded the second, a draw would have been a fair result.

[Bad English]

We just need to eat our turkey up and go again.

[Ian.]

I hate it when we lose.  I hate it when we’re crap. But the thing I hate about it most of all, more than the fact that I can’t bear to watch the highlights, more than not wanting to read the reports, more than worrying about where we’re heading, the thing I hate most of all about being beaten is coming on this forum and seeing some of the vicious unthinking bile that people contribute to the discussion.  I respect everyone’s right to an opinion even if I don’t agree with it; what I don’t respect is relentless unconstructive negativity and vitriolic abuse.   

It’s obviously not everyone, thankfully I think the majority of people on this thread do try to be constructive in trying to fathom what the hell is going on at the moment. There have been some brilliant posts on here tonight.  Unfortunately there is an increasing number who seemingly can hardly wait to put the boot in.  Even when we win it’s because we were lucky; we deserved to lose, let’s not go and enjoy ourselves or anything.

I’m sick of people moving the goalposts like this; last season we didn’t have enough points at this stage – hence we were going down.  This season we’ve got more points on the board – now we’re not playing well enough, hence we’re going down.  Last season our defence was taking us down.  This season it’s the lack of goals we score.  I’m sick of people being so eager to find fault, I’m sick of people refusing to give credit where it’s due, I’m sick of people ignoring facts and statistics where they counteract their argument, I’m sick of angry feckers giving rude and sarcastic responses to anyone who dares to question their ire, and I’m sick of seeing anyone who posts a measured and considered message being leapt upon and called an apologist for Lambert.  As for the personal abuse, well that’s just uncalled for; some of the match threads are vile.  If some of you are as aggressive and obnoxious in real life as you come across on here then I‘m glad we’ve never met.   And don’t give me the excuse that you’re pissed off.  We’re all pissed off.  We don’t all behave like you, thankfully.  I hope none of you have pets of kickable size.  In fact, I pity all your families if that’s what you’re like whenever we don’t win a match with the panache of Brazil 1970.

We’re all Villa supporters, right?  We support the team, we support the club, well how about we support each other a bit as well?  You know, letting off steam when appropriate, having a laugh when appropriate, in short, gauging the mood of our fellow Villa fans and engaging with them in a manner that is appropriate.  As opposed to just getting angry and turning on people who might actually empathise with your point of view.  I know I’d find defeats easier to bear if I could come on here and be part of some reasoned debate and exchange some gallows humour.  These days a visit to the match and post-match threads makes every defeat feel worse.  That’s not right.  If I want to read mindless slagging off of Lambert I’ll go to the Small Heath forum.  I don’t want to see it here.

If you’ve got nothing useful to say then please don’t post.  This will sound simplistic, and that’s because it is: go and do something else instead.  Get a new hobby.  Go and visit some old folks in a hospice.  Go to an owl sanctuary.  Take yourself away, do something different and get some perspective. Do anything you like, just stop poisoning this site with your bad tempers.  It doesn't help.     

Stands. Applauds. Awards post of the month.

Brilliantly put.

[Ian.]

We just need to eat our turkey up and go again.

But turkey makes you sleepy as well as tasting like dried vermin.

[olaftab]

Good post baddowvillans. It's not all polarised there is middle ground and that's where I am. Changing managers will equal relegation sooner or later. We need to stick with Lambert for now  and if all he does is just about avoid relegation come end of the season than we need to rethink. That does not mean its the end for him at that time but an all round review of club will be required which may include change of all coaching staff and a different policy.

[ROBBO]

For all that are hoping Milner will come back on loan forget it, he plays a vital role for City albeit from the bech on most occassions.

[olaftab]

We just need to eat our turkey up and go again.

No for FFS not turkey again.

[supertom]

You look at the league right now and 10th downward are bloody awful to be frank. This league is going to shite. Even are a team as inconsistent as Liverpool currently sit top of the league, largely off the back of two players (one of whom they've been without for a couple of weeks now).

I'm actually surprised all our sides made it to the CL knockouts, although I don't expect any of them to get close to winning it. Ze German league is better, as is Italian, Spanish (obviously) and even le French league is catching up.

I think there'll be 7-8 teams this season who'll struggle to make 40 points. No one is going to waltz away with the title either. Thankfully I think we've got enough quality that we won't be in danger of going down, but we'll be scrapping with everyone else to finish somewhere between 10th-16th. Which I guess in our current financial situation could equate to a few extra million in the coffers.