Stoke City v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[VinnieChase84]

Utter shite. Lambert is being shown up to being way out his depth I'm afraid. His signings on a whole are terrible. I don't trust him to spend any more money when this is what he assembles. Think it speaks volumes that the majority do not trust him to spend anymore cash on 'his' players.
Lerner should simply sell up, he doesn't care anymore and if this is his brand of football he's happy with as a fan then good god.
In the short term until Lerner sells and has some
Ambition for us then is be happy to see another manager have a go.
PL is very very lucky that he followed AM, he would be getting tons more stick by now if he hadnt

[lovejoy]

Worst team in 20 years.

Not even close

What about the team that got relegated?

[steamer]

I did not support him or agree with his approach , if he had invested at the right time we could be in a different position, he was the stagnation of  Aston Vila !However,Doug would be firing him after today.
"Ding, Dong, Mr Lambert to Mr Ellis office please"

[Tayls_7]

I haven't the will or energy to be angered by that display today. I thought the lads put in a shift but all the limitations we already know about were glaringly apparent. Can we close down the Delph-England thread now? Baker was the only one who did his best to piss me off with his lazy style. Does he think he is Franco Baresi? Bring on the Eagles next to fortress VP. It should be scintillating.

[pbavfckuwait]

While I wish al Aston Villa fans a Merry Merry Christmas, as you are not one of us Lambert I hope yours stinks

[brontebilly]

Switch everything off now to do with football...until the next match.

That's what's shit. Villa make me hate football. I take no pleasure from watching good football, because of envy, and I take no pleasure from watching a team like Palace lose, because we're no better, and possibly worse.

Thats exactly how Villa make me feel, the last few years of Villa misery has affected how I feel about football in general, rarely watch any other football these days just cant be bothered, god I feel miserable.

I do tonight. I feel totally and utterly abject with it all.

As much as I can understand the Lambert bashing, he has a track record of decent attacking football, with creativity in his Norwich side from the likes of Hoolihan and Pilkington etc, and even with us last season.

I think his biggest mistake has been to not spend decent money on 2 new midfielders last summer, and 1 should have been taking back Gareth Barry. He would have come, and would have given leadership. The trouble in the last 3 games is that there has been no leader at all, and it is always like that without Vlaar.

Something has to give come January. Lerner needs to sit with Lambert, identify 2-3 players plus a loan maybe, and give him 15 million to sort out some better standard, with at least 2 players with genuine experience that can be leaders of men on the field.

agree totally, Lambert made some very poor decisions in the summer with where he spent his budget.

but even considering the players we had out against Fulham and Stoke, we shouldnt be getting beat by either.

watching herd and baker's attempts with the ball today, they have been at Villa since they were kids. What kind of coaching have they been getting?

[hilts_coolerking]

I could take the defeats if we were trying some cutting edge new style of play or implementing a sophisticated new tactic or formation, to give us an advantage despite having a cheap squad.  But we're playing the boring shitty old dark ages football that doesn't produce consistent results and is shite to watch.

I know it must be tough with the players he's got but he bought most of them.

[adrenachrome]

L...../. Out. Fill in the dots.

5 dots. Tricky. 

[curiousorange]

I find it baffling that there haven't even been questionable rumours of incomings thus far. Fulham have already tied up a loan deal.

[caster troy]

Decent: Guzan, Vlaar, Benteke, Delph, Gabby, Okore
,
Meh: Clark, Lowton, Weimann, Albrighton, Kozak

Happy to never see in a Villa shirt again: Baker, Bennett, Luna, Bacuna, El Ahmadi, Tonev, Bowery, Helenius, Westwood, Herd, Sylla

To be fair to Lambert it's hard to imagine anyone achieving anything with that 'squad.' Lerner HAS to do something in January, another relegation scrap is unacceptable.

I'd replace 'decent' with 'generally good' and 'meh' with 'can be good'. I agree totally with which players go in which categories, though.

Having Helenius in the bottom category is pretty pathetic, he was signed with the expectation he'd take a while to settle and has barely had any time on the pitch, making any judgement on him is just silly.  Aside from that I'd split the bottom section into squad player and poor section and it'd be a pretty even split of the group between the 2.

I'm assuming that if Helenius can't get in the squad now ahead of the likes of Bowery he can't be any good, but I take your point.

[pbavfckuwait]

And the best Christmas present would be for a Lambert resignation and Lerner selling to anyone who actually gave a fuck

[villa `cross the mersey]

During my 50 years of watching AVFC I have seen some dire football and talentless players - the big difference from the 1960`s, 1970`s is that  this lot is paid a shitload of money for being .....Shit !!!!

[adrenachrome]

Unless Vlaar gets back quickly and stays fit, we are going to be in trouble. Plenty of effort and spirit, but no composure or leadership. 5 players booked is a damning statistic.

[baddowvillans]

Suggestions that we should stick with Lambert until the end of January don't make sense. By that point a new manager - if you can get one - is unable to use any contacts to beg/steal/borrow loan signings or buy any body he can with the £500k available.  If Lambert goes it has to be no later than after we lose at Sunderland on New Years Day.  New Year New Start No Lambert

[Villafirst]

I find it baffling that there haven't even been questionable rumours of incomings thus far. Fulham have already tied up a loan deal.

Because Lerner doesn't give a shit anymore. What a disgrace after 7 years in charge, bright future?