Aston Villa v Manchester United Post-Match Thread

[kippaxvilla2]

@StrideSteve: Poorest Villa v Man Utd match and atmosphere that I can remember. http://t.co/MZ2fIx8tlu

I have a lot of time and respect for Steve but that was just ridiculous.

I think he just about called it right: United were not particularly good; the atmosphere was pretty low-key and the Villa display pucntuated by some awful individual performances.

From what I can remember Steve Stride was around in the 80's so unless he has a short memory it is a ridiculous comment.

I seem to remember a December game in the Turner years where a United side that included Colin Gibson who we practically gave away to them transfer fee wise stuck three past us and I'm pretty sure the attendance was a tad short of 40,000.

No, that's the 26000 I mentioned  the post above.

Was that the 3-3 when Garry Thompson scored two to bring us back from 3-1 down.  Another shit striker Peter Davenport scored for them.

[danlanza]

His buying policy is biting him on the arse.
 I wouldn't send him to tesco  to buy potatoes because he would come back with a spare tyre for a Segway .

This for me. And FFD has said the same for some time now and i tend to agree with him. We have very little quality in most of the positions that we need it. Young and Hungry ? Yes, but please let us get some experience amongst the first team, or else we are fu..ed.

It would be nice to find the middle ground between O Neill and Lambert. We don't want to cripple the finances again of course, but we can't just keep taking punts on kids from lower leagues, or piss poor standard leagues like Bulgaria.

Agreed Tom, but will it happen, i just have this nagging doubt that it won't mate. We need 2-3 old heads in our team to settle the young lads, sod the wages, sod Lamberts arrogance, get them in asap, or is Lambert not ready for success ? It is making me think at the moment, about our clubs ambitions, or the lack of ambitions. Arte we just going to be happy with a mid table finish, so Lerner gets some cash back, or are we going to go for it and join the fight that is top class football ? Spend some cash ffs Lerner, or get out of the game. We cannot just amble along like this forever, just because we are in the Premier league is not good enough. We won the League and the bloody European Cup, Super cup for fuck sake, and now it is considered a good result to get a draw against the bloody stripey filth. Have a fu..in word with ourselves please.
We are not where or what we should be. Nowhere near. UTV.

[pauliewalnuts]

His buying policy is biting him on the arse.
 I wouldn't send him to tesco  to buy potatoes because he would come back with a spare tyre for a Segway .

I tend to agree.

We have one of the weakest squads in the Premier League, choc full of deeply unconvincing players.

Buying and improving young, cheap players is admirable, but let's be honest, if it were that easy, everyone would be doing it.

I also struggle to shake off the suspicion that one reason the club hierarchy love it so much as a strategy is that it's the cheapest one.

Look at our squad and ask yourself how many of those players would be coveted by other teams? Last year, it was two. Guzan and Benteke. This year it is two, Guzan and Delph (and let's be honest, it's not like we'd be fighting off the advances of Real Madrid for him, he's just better than the rest of the dross).

Everywhere you look in that squad, there are players who patently are not (yet) good enough to play in the top flight. Baker, Clark, Luna (FFS, what a clown he is, but hey, he's got a funny nickname, so let's all overlook the "being shit" part), Lowton (who seems to think he's Cafu after a spell of about 2 months when he did OK), Bennett, KEA (one good match in ten is nowhere near good enough), Westwood (ditto) - maybe one or two of those players in amongst some more experienced heads and we'd do better, but this throwing them all in together shit does not work.

It was acceptable last season as we had some extenuating circumstances, and Lambert looked like he was trying to change the way we play, but this season so far we've gone backwards, we're the least footballing football side in this division.

[Bad English]

Beijing Red 4 Lyf ‏@Moyes_Must_Go
I LIKE THIS LITTLE CLUB ASTON VILLAGE, THEY SHOWING MUFC INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF RESPECT TO LET WELBECK AND CLEVERLY SCORE.

[danlanza]

Beijing Red 4 Lyf ‏@Moyes_Must_Go
I LIKE THIS LITTLE CLUB ASTON VILLAGE, THEY SHOWING MUFC INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF RESPECT TO LET WELBECK AND CLEVERLY SCORE.

And that pretendy twat can go f..k himself as well. Knob.

[PeterWithesShin]

We had less than 30k three home games on the trot against them in the 80s.

85/86 27,626
86/87 29,205
88/89 28,332

[Brian Taylor]

They were indolent shites today..nothing more to compliment them with..indolent shites in extremis!!!

[olaftab]

Fair and accurate dissection of our defensive play today by Mills and Lawro on MOTD2.

[saunders_heroes]

Beijing Red 4 Lyf ‏@Moyes_Must_Go
I LIKE THIS LITTLE CLUB ASTON VILLAGE, THEY SHOWING MUFC INCREDIBLE AMOUNT OF RESPECT TO LET WELBECK AND CLEVERLY SCORE.

And that pretendy twat can go f..k himself as well. Knob.

I think he's quite funny.

[Louzie0]

Fair and accurate dissection of our defensive play today by Mills and Lawro on MOTD2.

Yes I saw that but they did not acknowledge anything that Sylla did to stop passes, which is what I saw, today. Sorry, he may have not got everything right but there were numerous times he cut off a move that was aimed to go straight past him, and I cheered that every time.
I think there may be easier targets.

[Hoppo]

I'm still a Lambert fan (just about) but we were shit again today. Sylla has been found out, Luna is shocking, Baker a last resort, Kea is shite, Westwood a passenger. Please don't get me started on 'The Beast.'
A malaise is hanging over our club and we will fall down the trap sooner or later unless we invest correctly.
We need to stop talking about 'the project' and wages and realise the fans need to be entertained. I dread home games.

[Louzie0]

Would personally like to know when Lawro became the Voice Of Truth, given the usual comments about his verisimilitude about anything about football on here!

[pauliewalnuts]

I'm still a Lambert fan (just about) but we were shit again today. Sylla has been found out, Luna is shocking, Baker a last resort, Kea is shite, Westwood a passenger. Please don't get me started on 'The Beast.'

The thing is:

Sylla came from the French second division less than a year ago.
Westwood came from Crewe Alexandra, League One, a little over a year ago
Luna came from Sevilla reserves for a paltry amount of money
KEA came from being average in a league which is renowned for making players look better than they are
Lowton came from League One
Joe Bennett came from League One
Bowery came from League Two
Tonev came from looking OKish in Poland
Bacuna came from Groeningen's reserves

There's a recurrent theme here - they're all cheap purchases, they'll all be on comparatively low wages, and none of them have consistently played at the top level.

It's not like there are no signs telling us they're going to struggle. That's what happened last season, to those who were here, and that is what is happening this season.

It seems a foolhardly policy to push on with so many players who aren't experienced at this level of football, and we're now starting to see that it's really, really hard to play at the top level, and a lot of them plainly can't do it.

Some of them can't do it yet and might go on to do so, but it seems to me to be a tad dangerous to just assume that they just need time to bed in and then they're going to come good.

[olaftab]

I think Lawro's demotion move to MotD2 has shook him up a bit and he is taking more interest in the actual football, I thought he summed it up correctly.
I am going to look up verisimilitude and than respond again!

[Fin Feds Dad]

 If you buy shit meat from Europe you get a shit meal - every time .