Aston Villa v Manchester United Post-Match Thread

[PeterWithe]

Another capitulation to man u.

This fixture is a right off for us. It's as simple as that. They could field 11 amoeba's and win comfortably.

Aren't both of them under contract to Newcastle?

[danlanza]

So many posts saying its so predictable, yet going on as if you're shocked.

We lost to Manchester United. It's what we do.

Please move on.

My take on things too.

Garbage - even Cardiff competed against them. Our lot surrendered . Not one player pressed Giggs or Rooney.

And Baker was bloody shocking tbh, so was Sylla. We just do not have the quality inside the squad to compete at the moment tbh.
All is not lost though, onto the next game and then we can have another good moan. UTV.

[mike]

So many posts saying its so predictable, yet going on as if you're shocked.

We lost to Manchester United. It's what we do.

Please move on.

My take on things too.

Garbage - even Cardiff competed against them. Our lot surrendered . Not one player pressed Giggs or Rooney.

And Baker was bloody shocking tbh, so was Sylla. We just do not have the quality inside the squad to compete at the moment tbh.
All is not lost though, onto the next game and then we can have another good moan. UTV.

It's not like this capitulation stains an otherwise outstanding season. The team is shit and we'll be relegated within a few seasons unless we buy some decent players.

[silhillvilla]

Where the fuck is N'Zogbia ? What on earth is going on down the villa ?

[Walmley_Villa]

No quality end of. Buying potential will bite us in the arse without some experience and quality to back it up. The last 3 seasons have really started to take a toll on me and visiting VP is becoming a chore. Regarding the atmosphere, the dozens of half Villa/Man Utd scarves tells you all you need to know. That was in the Upper Holte too.

[Toronto Villa]

Where the fuck is N'Zogbia ? What on earth is going on down the villa ?

I'll bring you up to speed. He's injured.

[silhillvilla]

Where the fuck is N'Zogbia ? What on earth is going on down the villa ?

I'll bring you up to speed. He's injured.

Is he though ?

[adrenachrome]

I totally disagree with the SVC "physical strength" observation

I think it is mental strength. Hence the early giving of goals in matches.

I think the physical strength/size is an issue. Look how we were bullied out of the games vs Bradford and vs Milwall by technically "inferior" footballers.

No doubt.

The tackles by Lowton and Baker were late retribution after the point when it mattered. Frustration at being thrown about like rag dolls. Reducers need to be delivered early. 

[supertom]

So many posts saying its so predictable, yet going on as if you're shocked.

We lost to Manchester United. It's what we do.

Please move on.

My take on things too.

Garbage - even Cardiff competed against them. Our lot surrendered . Not one player pressed Giggs or Rooney.

And Baker was bloody shocking tbh, so was Sylla. We just do not have the quality inside the squad to compete at the moment tbh.
All is not lost though, onto the next game and then we can have another good moan. UTV.

It's not like this capitulation stains an otherwise outstanding season. The team is shit and we'll be relegated within a few seasons unless we buy some decent players.

That is sadly the way it's heading. Benteke and Delph won't stick around. Vlaars injury record is always a concern and even so, the club may at some point feel the need to cash in while they can and replace him with a 20 year old for around a million quid.

We sell our better assets and buy more punts. The trouble is the likes of a Benteke are once in a blue moon signings. I really like Kozak. He's a hard worker but is he going to lead the line in a mid-table side? No he's not. He'll galantly scrab away and get around the dozen mark, but it won't quite be enough to save us in a year, or two years.

I don't look at the likes of Tonev, Luna, Bowery, KEA and believe they'll ever be Prem quality. I look at our slightly better prospects like Bacuna, Lowton, Westwood and I'm still not convinced they've got it in them to be anything more than bottom half quality players. At their best they'll be treading that line between being Championship standard, or low end Prem quality.

I think for the likes of Benteke and Okore, they can expect to move on to greater heights (if they reach their potential). We're a stepping stone. Those were signings we got right. But for everyone that pays off for Lambert, there's 3-4 which are questionnable to say the least. You'd say the odds are stacked against us to sign a front man with anything like Bentekes quality if/when he goes. You might argue we could re-sign Heskey and get someone as good, given the way Benteke is playing right now, but obviously we know his potential. I don't see anything like that sort of potential in any of Lamberts other signings, bar Okore.

Continually signing players who "might" be premier league standard in 2-3 years time will only lead us to one direction. The championship. It will happen eventually unless we change our buying policy to include more experience and better quality.

[olaftab]

His buying policy is biting him on the arse.
 I wouldn't send him to tesco  to buy potatoes because he would come back with a spare tyre for a Segway .

Well once you replace the tyre on your Segway you can fetch potatoes yourself in double quick time. That is management however today is not a good example of that!

[danlanza]

His buying policy is biting him on the arse.
 I wouldn't send him to tesco  to buy potatoes because he would come back with a spare tyre for a Segway .

This for me. And FFD has said the same for some time now and i tend to agree with him. We have very little quality in most of the positions that we need it. Young and Hungry ? Yes, but please let us get some experience amongst the first team, or else we are fu..ed.

[supertom]

His buying policy is biting him on the arse.
 I wouldn't send him to tesco  to buy potatoes because he would come back with a spare tyre for a Segway .

This for me. And FFD has said the same for some time now and i tend to agree with him. We have very little quality in most of the positions that we need it. Young and Hungry ? Yes, but please let us get some experience amongst the first team, or else we are fu..ed.

It would be nice to find the middle ground between O Neill and Lambert. We don't want to cripple the finances again of course, but we can't just keep taking punts on kids from lower leagues, or piss poor standard leagues like Bulgaria.

[silhillvilla]

Did any of our players run after Utd players after the final whistle begging for shirts ? Like Lowton did to Berbatov last Sunday . Pathetic.

[Louzie0]

So many posts saying its so predictable, yet going on as if you're shocked.

We lost to Manchester United. It's what we do.

Please move on.

My take on things too.

Garbage - even Cardiff competed against them. Our lot surrendered . Not one player pressed Giggs or Rooney.

And Baker was bloody shocking tbh, so was Sylla. We just do not have the quality inside the squad to compete at the moment tbh.
All is not lost though, onto the next game and then we can have another good moan. UTV.

I saw young Sylla getting stuck in and disrupting attacks in front of me lots of the time - I was at the top of the Trinity Road. Liked Westwood, Clark and Brad's consistency as well.

There was somebody trying passes over and forward, but not always somebody else running on to them. A bit like Rooney to Welbeck without ...well, you get it. El Ahmadi got stuck in as well and put through passes to Albrighton, and Matt Lowton was popping up to cross into their penalty area all the time when Villa were getting it together.

The first ball to hit CB's head in their penalty area came when the match was halfway though the second half.  That was the real problem. Where was he going to get a goal from?

A lot to get right for next time but they are actually better than last season, I think.

[adrenachrome]

His buying policy is biting him on the arse.
 I wouldn't send him to tesco  to buy potatoes because he would come back with a spare tyre for a Segway .

This for me. And FFD has said the same for some time now and i tend to agree with him. We have very little quality in most of the positions that we need it. Young and Hungry ? Yes, but please let us get some experience amongst the first team, or else we are fu..ed.

It would be nice to find the middle ground between O Neill and Lambert. We don't want to cripple the finances again of course, but we can't just keep taking punts on kids from lower leagues, or piss poor standard leagues like Bulgaria.

It would be nice, but it is unlikely to happen. PL genuinely believes he is on the right path and it suits RL to share his vision. It would be good to have a time frame of when this strategy will come to fruition, but that  is also unlikely.

When I say unlikely, by the way, I mean never ever. Or nevuh evuh as The Gnasher used to say.