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Author Topic: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread  (Read 49302 times)

Offline Ron Manager

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #240 on: December 05, 2013, 11:17:10 AM »
Sometimes you have to be thankful for small mercies.Or small midfielders.Southampton may have been very pleasing on the eye but to win games you have to put the ball in the net more than your opponents.

And that we did.

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #241 on: December 05, 2013, 11:35:50 AM »
I'm well pleased with the win I didn't think we would get anything out of this game but I'm glad I was proved wrong well done Villa.

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #242 on: December 05, 2013, 11:39:23 AM »
It was a great result, some very good goals (two beauties) and some resolute defending. And I'm definitely happy to be in the top half

But if we'd put in exactly the same performance otherwise and not scored with all three of our shots on goal, people would be moaning about the performance.

I think we played really well for 60 minutes against Everton and lost, and didn't play well last night. I think that's an entirely valid perspective.

Villa are pretty unlikely to win anything of note for the foreseeable future. So I'd like to enjoy watching us play. For the first time in several years I actually enjoyed watching our games at the back end of last season, even though it was often so tense. I just can't say the same at the moment

The stats aren't the point. They just illustrate that it's often quite painful watching this side at the moment. And of all the things I was expecting this season I didn't think that would be the case.

Hopefully we can start to improve on that.

No offence Matt but I hope this prediction is as wayward as your previous doom and gloom forecasts.  Lighten up old chum.

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #243 on: December 05, 2013, 11:59:59 AM »
As my old boy has just said to me: "Thought it said something about Soton that for all their possession and passing, where it doesn't hurt the opposition, their 2 goals were from headers from old fashioned crosses.", which I think is a fair point as well.

I was reading a Southampton forum after the match last night, and a number of them made the point that, although they are clearly good at keeping hold of the ball, they still massively rely on one way to score - the ball to the far post, headed back across - as per the first goal last night.

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #244 on: December 05, 2013, 12:09:55 PM »
I'll stop banging the same drum after this. But apparently Ashley Westwood, our metronome, completed eleven passes last night. Eleven!

Steven Davis completed one hundred and eleven

Ashley Westwood got one win bonus last night. Steven Davies got none.

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #245 on: December 05, 2013, 12:22:56 PM »
Does anyone not think that possibly the tactics last night involved having less possession than them?  Without the guile in midfield that we lack, breaking down a team with their defensive record would have been very hard for us.  So hitting them on the break was our best bet.  And the recent defensive strength we've shown meant the manager could have some confidence in letting them come on to us and then breaking quickly.

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #246 on: December 05, 2013, 12:26:17 PM »
As my old boy has just said to me: "Thought it said something about Soton that for all their possession and passing, where it doesn't hurt the opposition, their 2 goals were from headers from old fashioned crosses.", which I think is a fair point as well.

I was reading a Southampton forum after the match last night, and a number of them made the point that, although they are clearly good at keeping hold of the ball, they still massively rely on one way to score - the ball to the far post, headed back across - as per the first goal last night.

Its a good point and Because we lost Ron we were susceptible to those balls in the 2nd half.

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #247 on: December 05, 2013, 12:52:48 PM »
will Vlaar be back for Sunday?

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #248 on: December 05, 2013, 01:05:42 PM »
Sometimes you just have to say well done lads, a win is a win.

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #249 on: December 05, 2013, 01:08:05 PM »
Does anyone not think that possibly the tactics last night involved having less possession than them?  Without the guile in midfield that we lack, breaking down a team with their defensive record would have been very hard for us.  So hitting them on the break was our best bet.  And the recent defensive strength we've shown meant the manager could have some confidence in letting them come on to us and then breaking quickly.

I've said something similar on another thread. We played to our strengths which is quick counter attacking football. It may not be pretty but at least there is a clear plan there. It was almost as if we were happy to concede possession with a long punt upfield and bring them onto us. I'm hoping long term we start to see progress in terms of adapting to different styles of play though, we're playing some top class 'away' style football at present, we really need to improve on our game when we have to make the running.

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #250 on: December 05, 2013, 01:14:49 PM »
I genuinely didn't think the game last night was as lop-sided as the stats make out, I thought it was pretty even. The 50% possession in their own half stat mentioned earlier kind of confirms my view. It was interesting to hear the home fans yelping "HOOF!" any time the defence made an old fashioned clearance, reminded me a little of the blue and white Brazil team that passed their way so eye catchingly to relegation a few seasons back.

As my dad says about golf, you have to have the bad shot to appreciate the good one and I've seen far too many games when we've been on the receiving end of a sucker punch to not enjoy it when we are dishing it out. I'll doubtless regret saying this but I'm actually looking forward to the Man Utd game next weekend...

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #251 on: December 05, 2013, 01:19:30 PM »
As my dad says about golf, you have to have the bad shot to appreciate the good one and I've seen far too many games when we've been on the receiving end of a sucker punch to not enjoy it when we are dishing it out. I'll doubtless regret saying this but I'm actually looking forward to the Man Utd game next weekend...



Thinking about it, how many times have we seen Man United perform poorly in terms of being under the cosh, only for them to hit on the counter attack and win.

I think the answer is several hundred, at least.

It's the sign of a good side to be able to get something from matches when you're under the cosh. I just wish we could improve on the other part, too. Still, plenty of time for that, and I am glad we're having this conversation with us being in the top half of the table rather than at the arse end.

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #252 on: December 05, 2013, 01:20:57 PM »
we went, we drank, we conquered!!

we played to our strengths last night, as someonr said earlier I think Lambert learnt from the Chelsea game on Sunday how to beat Southampton. Don't try and out pass them in midfield, hit 'em long and fast.

we were exposed when Vlaar went off, Lowton looked like he's been allowed to play with the big boys at centre back, so I'd be worried if Vlaar is injured for long.

I thought Gabby is getting back to fitness and Benteke looked more like his old self when he came on. Great reward for Delph for all his hard work this season.

my hangover is just wearing off.............

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #253 on: December 05, 2013, 01:28:00 PM »
I bet those pricks shouting "hoof" last night wished they had 3 points in the bag when they woke up thris morning. Ignorant oiks. Must have really pissed them off watching this unsophisticated team from Birimingham roll in, score 2 tremendous goals and a third that they should appreciate because it seemingly all they do.

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Re: Southampton v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread
« Reply #254 on: December 05, 2013, 01:30:57 PM »
I bet those pricks shouting "hoof" last night wished they had 3 points in the bag when they woke up thris morning. Ignorant oiks. Must have really pissed them off watching this unsophisticated team from Birimingham roll in, score 2 tremendous goals and a third that they should appreciate because it seemingly all they do.

Give this a read, it'll annoy you - "some teams trying to play the right way, others stuck in the past". Exactly like Albion the last time they went down.

http://metro.co.uk/2013/12/05/southampton-defence-must-learn-to-deal-with-long-ball-teams-after-criminal-result-against-villans-4216288/

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I’m not quite sure what I witnessed in the game between Southampton and Aston Villa. It is extremely rare that you will see a team completely dominate and outclass their opponents and lose 2-3.

It was a combination of strange defending against Villa’s punts up field and Saints not being clinical enough in front of goal. Villa didn’t have the same issue – they had three chances, and scored all three.

For anyone who didn’t see it, here some statistics that might give you an idea of the balance of play.

Southampton had 77 per cent of the possession, Steve Davis playing in the Saints midfield completed 112 passes, Aston Villa (yes, the entire team) completed 104. This was a one-sided affair in every sense of the word… except one – the one that counts.

It was an embarrassing defeat for Saints and, unlike the previous two against Arsenal and Chelsea, this one was down to poor team selection and tactical mistakes.

Bringing in Maya Yoshida to play at centre half when Jose Fonte was fit was bizarre and the Japanese international had a nightmare with Villa’s long ball game – his mistake for the visitors’ opener inexcusable.

Saints haven’t learned the lessons from last year when facing sides who go direct. Perhaps Mauricio Pochettino was as surprised as I was to see just how direct Paul Lambert would go.

There was no attempt to play football from Villa, Gabby Agbonlahor hung off the back of Saints’ back four waiting for the inevitable ball over the top. It was ugly but effective, and Saints weren’t prepared for it.

Whenever I see a team play that way I always wonder how their fans feel about it. Of course if you asked them now they wouldn’t care because they won, but what if they had lost (as they should have) playing like that? I’m not sure I could stomach it.

Saints need to learn how to deal with it though, as despite some clubs trying to play football the right way it seems impossible to shake off the old ways for some. Saints also need to learn to punish teams with their dominance. Villa should have been dead and buried before half-time, but yet again Saints insistence on walking the ball into the net was found wanting.

 


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