Charles N'zogbia update

[PaulWinch again]

Why is everyone getting so worked up about a phrase on a social media site that doesn't even make sense?

I dunno about that, it is pretty easy to work out what he's saying. And it's not as if there haven't been precedents.

Indeed and that's half the problem. If they hadn't isolated other players who were on high wages previously, this wouldn't even be questioned. The club has courted this sort of response whether it's accurate or not.

Or perhaps everyone is yet again jumping to the same conclusion as when Darren Bent was apparently not being picked because of a clause in his contract.

Well other than the fact Lambert has admitted Darren Bent has no future at the club regardless, which suggests the club is isolating the biggest earners.

[pauliewalnuts]

Why is everyone getting so worked up about a phrase on a social media site that doesn't even make sense?

I was thinking the same thing...I read that as not being allowed to train with first team squad not that he hadn't been injured.

I'm not sure what you think it meant.

To me it reads he's not allowed to train with the club. Not that he's not injured, nothing at all about that - that bit is obviously true, and I don't thnk anyone has suggested otherwise.

[Somniloquism]

They did the same with Richard Dunne. They pretended he was injured when in fact he was fit. They just wanted him out of the club - probably because of wages.
Proves what sort of untrustworthy wankers that run our club. Quite disgraceful.

If that is the case, why did Dunne give a very detailed interview last November stating how his injury was under estimated originally and three operations from differnt docs were required. He was starting to train again about Late April which is why he could play in that Irish game at the end.

He was fit early in the new year. A mate of mine spoke to him in Sutton Park and told him to his face he was fit. They just didn't want him in the team.

And then he had a breakdown on the morning of the Bradford match

Or are you now saying this is all made up bollocks that the club paid him to say?

[dave.woodhall]

Why is everyone getting so worked up about a phrase on a social media site that doesn't even make sense?

I dunno about that, it is pretty easy to work out what he's saying. And it's not as if there haven't been precedents.

Indeed and that's half the problem. If they hadn't isolated other players who were on high wages previously, this wouldn't even be questioned. The club has courted this sort of response whether it's accurate or not.

Or perhaps everyone is yet again jumping to the same conclusion as when Darren Bent was apparently not being picked because of a clause in his contract.

Well other than the fact Lambert has admitted Darren Bent has no future at the club regardless, which suggests the club is isolating the biggest earners.

It was last season, and the fact that he played again showed it was nonsense.

[villan from luton]

I am not backing Lambert, but neither Jol or Magath fancy Bent

[Somniloquism]

Why is everyone getting so worked up about a phrase on a social media site that doesn't even make sense?

I dunno about that, it is pretty easy to work out what he's saying. And it's not as if there haven't been precedents.

Indeed and that's half the problem. If they hadn't isolated other players who were on high wages previously, this wouldn't even be questioned. The club has courted this sort of response whether it's accurate or not.

Or perhaps everyone is yet again jumping to the same conclusion as when Darren Bent was apparently not being picked because of a clause in his contract.

Well other than the fact Lambert has admitted Darren Bent has no future at the club regardless, which suggests the club is isolating the biggest earners.

I think Dave is mentioning when he wasn't played, it was supposedly due to a clause that bumped up his money. Obviously the clause didn't take into account last matches of the season.

And since Lamberts claim, this is the same Darren Bent who is such a regular at Fulham that three separate managers have had his name as first on the team sheet. 

[baddowvillans]

For what it's worth it was my son who tweeted CNZ. He posted a pic of him on holiday in Marrrakesh and Nick asked if rather than being on holiday he would be better at BH encouraging his struggling team mates. CNZ's reply questioned whether he would be allowed to train. It doesn't say he has been banned but implies he fears that he would be if he reported fit.

I guess everyone has to draw their own conclusions what that means but CNZ IS in Morocco whilst his teammates struggle and clearly doesn't expect to train again any time soon

[saunders_heroes]

Matt Kendrick tweeting that he wouldn't be surprised if it was true.

[Gareth]

Why is everyone getting so worked up about a phrase on a social media site that doesn't even make sense?

I was thinking the same thing...I read that as not being allowed to train with first team squad not that he hadn't been injured.

I'm not sure what you think it meant.

To me it reads he's not allowed to train with the club. Not that he's not injured, nothing at all about that - that bit is obviously true, and I don't thnk anyone has suggested otherwise.

I'm sure if he wasn't allowed to train at the 'club' and hadn't been suspended he would have grounds for a case under employment law...if he is fit and able to train but isn't being allowed to train with the 'squad' that unfortunately is a managers decision.

We could all do with being on holiday in Marrakech though :-)

[pauliewalnuts]

I think Dave is mentioning when he wasn't played, it was supposedly due to a clause that bumped up his money. Obviously the clause didn't take into account last matches of the season.

And since Lamberts claim, this is the same Darren Bent who is such a regular at Fulham that three separate managers have had his name as first on the team sheet. 

I think there are two separate things being discussed here. One is the question of the Bent extra money clause if he played another game. Another is the way certain players have been treated - sent to train with the kids, exiled from the first team.

I don't get it. I don't understand how it makes it any easier to sell players we no longer want (and is it any coincidence that we have failed to sell any of these bomb squad players?).

I don't see the logic of finding us paying players huge amounts of money with absolutely no intention of actually playing them. Have our leadership looked at the players who make up our PL squad? Did they take a look at the state of our bench yesterday?

N'Zogbia cost us £10m. That's a huge amount of money. We should be doing absolutely everything possible to get him fit. Even if we don't play him again, at least with a view to selling him.

If there are those of us who think people are too eager to believe him in what he said, maybe it's worth thinking why we're like this - because we've seen exactly this sort of mentalness from the club before. it is not as if there is no precedent here.

[pauliewalnuts]

Why is everyone getting so worked up about a phrase on a social media site that doesn't even make sense?

I was thinking the same thing...I read that as not being allowed to train with first team squad not that he hadn't been injured.

I'm not sure what you think it meant.

To me it reads he's not allowed to train with the club. Not that he's not injured, nothing at all about that - that bit is obviously true, and I don't thnk anyone has suggested otherwise.

I'm sure if he wasn't allowed to train at the 'club' and hadn't been suspended he would have grounds for a case under employment law...if he is fit and able to train but isn't being allowed to train with the 'squad' that unfortunately is a managers decision.

We could all do with being on holiday in Marrakech though :-)

I'm sure he wouldn't, not at all. Look at the other players who weren't allowed to train with the grown ups.

Agreed re Marrakech, mind.

[Theo]

I think that's the whole thing, I really don't know what to think about that...

[Irish villain]

Why is everyone getting so worked up about a phrase on a social media site that doesn't even make sense?

I was thinking the same thing...I read that as not being allowed to train with first team squad not that he hadn't been injured.

I'm not sure what you think it meant.

To me it reads he's not allowed to train with the club. Not that he's not injured, nothing at all about that - that bit is obviously true, and I don't thnk anyone has suggested otherwise.

I think Dave is mentioning when he wasn't played, it was supposedly due to a clause that bumped up his money. Obviously the clause didn't take into account last matches of the season.

And since Lamberts claim, this is the same Darren Bent who is such a regular at Fulham that three separate managers have had his name as first on the team sheet. 

I think there are two separate things being discussed here. One is the question of the Bent extra money clause if he played another game. Another is the way certain players have been treated - sent to train with the kids, exiled from the first team.

I don't get it. I don't understand how it makes it any easier to sell players we no longer want (and is it any coincidence that we have failed to sell any of these bomb squad players?).

I don't see the logic of finding us paying players huge amounts of money with absolutely no intention of actually playing them. Have our leadership looked at the players who make up our PL squad? Did they take a look at the state of our bench yesterday?

N'Zogbia cost us £10m. That's a huge amount of money. We should be doing absolutely everything possible to get him fit. Even if we don't play him again, at least with a view to selling him.

If there are those of us who think people are too eager to believe him in what he said, maybe it's worth thinking why we're like this - because we've seen exactly this sort of mentalness from the club before. it is not as if there is no precedent here.

There has been a spectacular failure to get the most out of club resources in the past few years. In terms of what we get from them on the pitch and what we get  back in sell-on value.

I find it all quite staggering to be honest. We have continued to burn millions after MON, and this manager seems to have got the green light to let some of our most valuable, and highest earning, assets rot until they have no re-sale value.

Could we have not pretended Bent was vital and a huge player and tried to tempt a buyer instead of making it abundantly clear he wasn't wanted? Same with N'Zogbia.

Nothing ambiguous about his social media comment tonight. He has been frozen out like so many others.

[Irish villain]

For what it's worth it was my son who tweeted CNZ. He posted a pic of him on holiday in Marrrakesh and Nick asked if rather than being on holiday he would be better at BH encouraging his struggling team mates. CNZ's reply questioned whether he would be allowed to train. It doesn't say he has been banned but implies he fears that he would be if he reported fit.

I guess everyone has to draw their own conclusions what that means but CNZ IS in Morocco whilst his teammates struggle and clearly doesn't expect to train again any time soon

Wasn't he supposed to be back in January/Feb? Wasn't it the same with Dunne last year yet he didn't get back and then was suddenly fit when he left?

[dave.woodhall]

For what it's worth it was my son who tweeted CNZ. He posted a pic of him on holiday in Marrrakesh and Nick asked if rather than being on holiday he would be better at BH encouraging his struggling team mates. CNZ's reply questioned whether he would be allowed to train. It doesn't say he has been banned but implies he fears that he would be if he reported fit.

I guess everyone has to draw their own conclusions what that means but CNZ IS in Morocco whilst his teammates struggle and clearly doesn't expect to train again any time soon

Wasn't he supposed to be back in January/Feb? Wasn't it the same with Dunne last year yet he didn't get back and then was suddenly fit when he left?

And then he had a breakdown on the morning of the Bradford match

Or are you now saying this is all made up bollocks that the club paid him to say?