Takeover rumours

[pauliewalnuts]

I want to go down and that is the problem.

I am not a customer, I am a supporter. Owners and the league in general know this and exploit us as fans because of this. If we were customers, then football would have packed up long ago.

What other customers would take changes to opening times to make them highly inconvenient and a hyperinflation of the product price way beyond an increase in the quality, to name but two issues with the game.

They stopped treating us like fans and more like customers years ago, that horse has already bolted.

[dekko]

Really now, Welsh-English sporting rivalry is hardly the same as monkey chants against black players is it?

The reasoning behind the cardiff change was to try to get the floating welsh support behind them agianst the English rather than for commercial reasons, don't think it went down very well though, from the comments by the cardiff fans I went to uni with at least.

I hadn't thought of it that way.  I thought the change was because Tan is Indonesian, and both the colour red and dragons have massive cultural significance and are symbols of luck and success in that part of Asia.

[pauliewalnuts]

I don't get it.

I thought the thing behind Tan changing Cardiff from blue to red was mostly because red is the colour associated with success in Asia, rather than something anti English.

Or am I missing something?

[peter w]

I want to go down and that is the problem.

I am not a customer, I am a supporter. Owners and the league in general know this and exploit us as fans because of this. If we were customers, then football would have packed up long ago.

What other customers would take changes to opening times to make them highly inconvenient and a hyperinflation of the product price way beyond an increase in the quality, to name but two issues with the game.

They stopped treating us like fans and more like customers years ago, that horse has already bolted.

Its arguable though that its made the lower leagues better and more competitive. the Conference is mostly professional with a lot of established old league clubs in there. Clubs below that level, though, are more likely to go the wall with little backing or lending. But those clubs that prepare better forthe business/commercial age of football will survive better.

[Dave Cooper please]

Flogging sponsorship for large amounts of money is far more understandable - and acceptable - than the sort of piddling amounts of money low rent sponsorships like substitutes would bring in.

That piddling amount of money could be the difference between offering an academy player a contract or letting him go, that academy player could become the next Gary Shaw.

[paul_e]

I don't get it.

I thought the thing behind Tan changing Cardiff from blue to red was mostly because red is the colour associated with success in Asia, rather than something anti English.

Or am I missing something?

That's the official reason, but I personally don't know any Cardiff fans who buy it.  South Wales is full of rugby fans and plastic man u and liverpool fans (I've played a lot of rugby down there).  I don't know anyone who thinks the crest in particular has anything to do with any far east dragon, and the colour explanation doesn't really fit either.

[pauliewalnuts]

Flogging sponsorship for large amounts of money is far more understandable - and acceptable - than the sort of piddling amounts of money low rent sponsorships like substitutes would bring in.

That piddling amount of money could be the difference between offering an academy player a contract or letting him go, that academy player could become the next Gary Shaw.

But you could make the same argument about pretty much every other bit of revenue we have.

Effectively it is a 'take the money' argument - you could say the same thing if they put the prices up significantly every year, or if they decided to do a deal with a record company to play a One Direction song every time we scored (although if it were done on a "per play" basis, that wouldn't earn much etc etc etc).

You could have said the same thing about that iffy booking charge they started adding this season on ticket orders.

[olaftab]

So blatant racism is alive and well in our Prem ?
Just as long as you do not make monkey sounds, or call somebody a ...., ?
But it is ok for some bloke to take over a club and target the anti English fraction, sorry, faction to make himself some sort of messiah ?
I don't buy that, or understand that, at all. Go and play in the league of Wales in that case.

There must be a winter equivalent of sangria,down in Lanza, that you have been drinking today Dan?

[Dave Cooper please]

Flogging sponsorship for large amounts of money is far more understandable - and acceptable - than the sort of piddling amounts of money low rent sponsorships like substitutes would bring in.

That piddling amount of money could be the difference between offering an academy player a contract or letting him go, that academy player could become the next Gary Shaw.

But you could make the same argument about pretty much every other bit of revenue we have.

Effectively it is a 'take the money' argument - you could say the same thing if they put the prices up significantly every year, or if they decided to do a deal with a record company to play a One Direction song every time we scored (although if it were done on a "per play" basis, that wouldn't earn much etc etc etc).

You could have said the same thing about that iffy booking charge they started adding this season on ticket orders.

Yes, but those (especially One Direction) are all things that would (and did in the case of the booking fee) piss people off. I doubt anyone would really notice a sponsored substitution announcement after the first game or two, and as I said, if something like that pisses you off then maybe you need a gentler hobby than watching football!

[ROBBO]

Can i ask seeing as we have had ten pages now is there any solid information that Red Bull wants to buy our club or is it just another rumour?

[dave.woodhall]

Can i ask seeing as we have had ten pages now is there any solid information that Red Bull wants to buy our club or is it just another rumour?

It's not even a rumour.

[PeterWithesShin]

I was at Hull and they sponsor substitutions, added time and no doubt the pies have a sponsors name stamped on them. It's fucking tacky and shit.

[dekko]

Can i ask seeing as we have had ten pages now is there any solid information that Red Bull wants to buy our club or is it just another rumour?

No solid information whatsoever.

That said, the fact that this rumour keeps popping up, and the fact that Red Bull have bought teams in several other countries, suggests to me that they probably do want to buy an English side.  Theres no evidence that its going to be Villa though.

[Leighton]

But will Red Bull give us wins?

[Dave Cooper please]

But will Red Bull give us wins?

Judging by this thread they'll certainly give us whinge.