Quote from: brontebilly on September 16, 2014, 11:17:53 PMbonkers deal, fair play to Hutton but 12 month extension would have been more than sufficient.Which he would have probably turned down and gone somewhere else.
bonkers deal, fair play to Hutton but 12 month extension would have been more than sufficient.
We don't know the value of the deal. My guess would be that it is substantially lower than he was on before, and at a level that would have attracted other clubs. Still, 4 games in is bloody quick.
Quote from: john e on September 16, 2014, 09:53:48 PMI know what Lambert said, but as with all the bomb squad they were not producing for their wages, He is the only one who has made it back to any great degree, And credit to him, he has proved me totally wrong and I dare say many of the management team as wellHow are they meant to "produce" when they're not even being considered for selection?And if we're going to start pointing at players who don't produce, that would have meant almost the entire squad after the McLeish year.
I know what Lambert said, but as with all the bomb squad they were not producing for their wages, He is the only one who has made it back to any great degree, And credit to him, he has proved me totally wrong and I dare say many of the management team as well
He's also not the only one to make it back. Given is the number two goalkeeper and Bent is available for selection and has featured this season.
Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 16, 2014, 10:26:53 PMQuote from: john e on September 16, 2014, 09:53:48 PMI know what Lambert said, but as with all the bomb squad they were not producing for their wages, He is the only one who has made it back to any great degree, And credit to him, he has proved me totally wrong and I dare say many of the management team as wellHow are they meant to "produce" when they're not even being considered for selection?And if we're going to start pointing at players who don't produce, that would have meant almost the entire squad after the McLeish year.None of them were producing before they were ostracised. I was of the impression that they were some toxic influence on the rest of he squad. We had not long had Dunne and Collins behaving badly, and Warnock was a well-known moaner. I thought it was hinted that we were removing the bombsquads so they didn't tarnish the youngandhungries. Now Faulkner has left and no-one seems to know why any of it ever happened.Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 16, 2014, 10:26:53 PMHe's also not the only one to make it back. Given is the number two goalkeeper and Bent is available for selection and has featured this season.Whilst Given and Bent are available for selection, and N'Zogbia has made several appearances, Hutton is the only one to have made a positive contribution to the first team.
Quote from: dave.woodhall on September 16, 2014, 11:19:35 PMQuote from: brontebilly on September 16, 2014, 11:17:53 PMbonkers deal, fair play to Hutton but 12 month extension would have been more than sufficient.Which he would have probably turned down and gone somewhere else.and?If we are to be anyway competitive as a football club we will need a better full back than the re-packaged Alan Hutton.
Quote from: bob on September 17, 2014, 09:27:04 AMQuote from: pauliewalnuts on September 16, 2014, 10:26:53 PMQuote from: john e on September 16, 2014, 09:53:48 PMI know what Lambert said, but as with all the bomb squad they were not producing for their wages, He is the only one who has made it back to any great degree, And credit to him, he has proved me totally wrong and I dare say many of the management team as wellHow are they meant to "produce" when they're not even being considered for selection?And if we're going to start pointing at players who don't produce, that would have meant almost the entire squad after the McLeish year.None of them were producing before they were ostracised. I was of the impression that they were some toxic influence on the rest of he squad. We had not long had Dunne and Collins behaving badly, and Warnock was a well-known moaner. I thought it was hinted that we were removing the bombsquads so they didn't tarnish the youngandhungries. Now Faulkner has left and no-one seems to know why any of it ever happened.Quote from: pauliewalnuts on September 16, 2014, 10:26:53 PMHe's also not the only one to make it back. Given is the number two goalkeeper and Bent is available for selection and has featured this season.Whilst Given and Bent are available for selection, and N'Zogbia has made several appearances, Hutton is the only one to have made a positive contribution to the first team.We're only four games into the season, and they're guaranteed to be here till January at least. As they are now making the bench or starting matches, they'll at least have the chance. Given is the number two keeper, and Bent is also making squads.Not many of the squad were producing, full stop, at the end of the McLeish season.The toxic influence thing doesn't stand up to examination - Lambert has said several times that Hutton's attitude is perfect, and Shay Given a toxic influence? I find that hard to believe, he's generally seen as a model professional.That just smacked of people looking for an excuse. Lambert himself said that it was about the wages.
I think the fact that it's a three year deal rather than say a two year one which has raised a few eyebrows. It does also indicate we're in a better place financially which is encouraging though.
Also does anyone ITK know how much his original deal was worth v the new deal?Same goes for Gabby - does anyone have a decent idea?