Is this what transition looks like?

[supertom]

I would be pleased with that. A club of our size and stature should be hitting 50 points as an absolute minimum.

[Concrete John]

I always think it's too much like having a sense of entitlement to say say things like that.  In reality, our size and stature don't matter as it's the team we put out that defines what results we should be getting.

If you think the team isn't worthy of the club, then that's another matter.   

[supertom]

I always think it's too much like having a sense of entitlement to say say things like that.  In reality, our size and stature don't matter as it's the team we put out that defines what results we should be getting.

If you think the team isn't worthy of the club, then that's another matter.   

Having been in every season of the Prem, and more often than not finished comfortably past 50 points I think a sense of entitlement is in order. I think a lot of the top clubs certainly have that. For some, like City, money changes what fans think they're entitled to of course, but I would say that the fans have a right to expect that whoever is in charge is putting out a team that is always well clear of relegation, at a minimum.
I think we're starting to see the potential in this side to suggest we can turn around the last three seasons of woeful under achievement.

As for entitlement though, I don't think most fans here are stomping their feet because we're not pushing for the top 4 every year. We have a realistic minimum expectation, which is to be comfortable and solid somewhere in the midriff of the Prem. 50 points will guarantee that. I don't think that's too much to ask given everything in place at the club.

[dave.woodhall]

We have no right to be entitled to anything this season other than a place in the Premier League and in the FA Cup third round. Every other club in our league has the same.

[supertom]

We have no right to be entitled to anything this season other than a place in the Premier League and in the FA Cup third round. Every other club in our league has the same.

The club may not have any divine right, but the fans are entitled to expect not to merely scrape by every year. I couldn't say I'd be anything other than disappointed if we finished a shade over that 40 point mark again, down around 15-16th.

A target for a club like ourselves shouldn't be to hit that 40 point mark. We should be looking beyond that. 40 for us should be done and dusted before the close of March. We're not a yo-yo club, or a naive fresh club having finally got a taste of the top flight. We've been in the top flight for probably (estimated punt with my shit maths skills) 95% of the time since league football formed. There's been odd blips but we've been back up in the top flight now for 25 odd years straight again, where we should be. The same goes for Everton. They should expect not to be scraping by. They have had the odd relegation battle, but are largely a solid side and mid-table should be a minimum requirement.
I know we've had to balance books but it's not like we've had the problems Leeds or Portsmouth had, of which relegation pretty much did them in (the latter spectacularly). Our squad was decimated over 2-3 years after MON, but we still had enough quality in the side that safety should have been far more assured. If we get to a point of spending within our means, as we're heading, then we'll still be able to outspend most clubs coming up from the league below, and the ones in the top flight who will always scrap in the bottom 8. With our size, our academy, and the expectation that comes with our history, I don't see the problem with a little entitlement. Obviously there's unrealistic expectations at times with fans, but I think on the whole us lot are fairly realistic. We know that the big 6 are going to pull away further with the money at hand, that the rest can't compete with (until a Sheik comes knocking).
If we're not entitled to expect our club to finish comfortably, well clear of the drop line, then we can't really be entitled to feel disappointed if we scrape by again. But honestly, hanging in by the skin of our teeth again this season would be a big disappointment to most of us on here.

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Expectations and entitlement are two seperate matters.

[supertom]

Expectations and entitlement are two seperate matters.

Yes but they're linked. We're entitled to have a certain expectation of whats expected of this club. As for outright entitlement, a lot of other clubs from board to fans feel they're entitled to an absolute bare minimum and when that's not being met, it's not pretty. As we've seen with Utd fans this year.

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Entitlement is a word I would associate with Wolves fans.

[john e]

if clubs get what they deserve, how comes Chelsea won the champs league, and MUFC win the league every other year
they deserve fuck all, but that's the way it is

[Ad@m]

Entitlement is a word I would associate with Wolves fans.

Similarly I associate it with Newcastle fans, which is why it was so hilarious when we sent them down.

Yes we should be aiming higher but it doesn't happen overnight. Stating 'minimum' points totals is all well and good but they're meaningless if they're unrealistic based on where this team currently is, ability-wise.

[eastie]

Entitlement is a word I would associate with Wolves fans.

Similarly I associate it with Newcastle fans, which is why it was so hilarious when we sent them down.

Yes we should be aiming higher but it doesn't happen overnight. Stating 'minimum' points totals is all well and good but they're meaningless if they're unrealistic based on where this team currently is, ability-wise.

I think a target of 50 points is very achievable for the team we have right now - that would probably represent a top 10 finish and mean most will have an enjoyable summer .

[Concrete John]

if clubs get what they deserve, how comes Chelsea won the champs league, and MUFC win the league every other year
they deserve fuck all, but that's the way it is

Problem is you don't get what you deserve anymore - you get what you pay for!

[eastie]

if clubs get what they deserve, how comes Chelsea won the champs league, and MUFC win the league every other year
they deserve fuck all, but that's the way it is

Problem is you don't get what you deserve anymore - you get what you pay for!

If you have the right manager you get what you pay for - if you have the wrong manager you can end up with a load of overpaid tosh.

[danlanza]

if clubs get what they deserve, how comes Chelsea won the champs league, and MUFC win the league every other year
they deserve fuck all, but that's the way it is

Problem is you don't get what you deserve anymore - you get what you pay for!

If you have the right manager you get what you pay for - if you have the wrong manager you can end up with a load of overpaid tosh.

I cannot see much over paid tosh with our lot at the moment. Does that mean that we actually have a good manager old boy ?

[eastie]

if clubs get what they deserve, how comes Chelsea won the champs league, and MUFC win the league every other year
they deserve fuck all, but that's the way it is

Problem is you don't get what you deserve anymore - you get what you pay for!

If you have the right manager you get what you pay for - if you have the wrong manager you can end up with a load of overpaid tosh.

I cannot see much over paid tosh with our lot at the moment. Does that mean that we actually have a good manager old boy ?

Less of the old please you  whipper snapper  
In relation to the question - I hope so - certainly his transfer dealings have been much better than recent managers .