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Offline Ads

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #105 on: October 28, 2013, 12:02:34 PM »
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Norwich have out spent us in the previous two summer windows

I'm not sure who should be more ashamed of this - Norwich for wasting millions or Villa for being outspent by Norwich effing City.

I am quietly beginning to question myself about some of Lambert's signings.

It's a fans prerogative to do so.

I am, and this isn't directed at you, routinely staggered by early judgments of players. Okre was a world beater apparently, based on a handful of games (he may well be), while Tonev who has started just two games, who probably doesn't speak a lick of English, is garbage.

I watched "the new Rooney" on Saturday for the first time and thought he was poor, noticeable only so far as his crossing was woeful. I cannot make any Judgments based on one game though, the same as its ridiculous to over egg or slate these players over five or six games.

Maybe I am more patient?

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #106 on: October 28, 2013, 12:06:39 PM »
I remember a poor run of home results under Graham Taylor. I believe he started booking the team into hotels on Friday nights and travelling to VP by coach to try to solve it.

You must be on about his first spell. His second spell actually contained our best home form since the 90s as we won 11/19 at Villa Park. But we only won once away so just avoided relegation.

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #107 on: October 28, 2013, 12:14:49 PM »
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Norwich have out spent us in the previous two summer windows

I'm not sure who should be more ashamed of this - Norwich for wasting millions or Villa for being outspent by Norwich effing City.

I am quietly beginning to question myself about some of Lambert's signings.

It's a fans prerogative to do so.

I am, and this isn't directed at you, routinely staggered by early judgments of players. Okre was a world beater apparently, based on a handful of games (he may well be), while Tonev who has started just two games, who probably doesn't speak a lick of English, is garbage.

I watched "the new Rooney" on Saturday for the first time and thought he was poor, noticeable only so far as his crossing was woeful. I cannot make any Judgments based on one game though, the same as its ridiculous to over egg or slate these players over five or six games.

Maybe I am more patient?


Perhaps

But I wasn't restricting my concern to the signings he made this summer

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #108 on: October 28, 2013, 12:24:27 PM »
Norwich have out spent us in the previous two summer windows, without having to re-build an entire squad.

Lambert chose to rebuild an entire squad .

I have now editted my post above.

Lambert had no choice but to re-build a squad. He inherrited a side that was rotten to the core, failed to reach 40 points and was a hair away from being relegated

He also inherited a squad with players who had delivered in the past in the premiership

Lambert inherited a squad that cost huge multi millions - not a pile of shit .



He also inherited a squad which mostly needed improving, starting with two full backs, one of which at the moment can't get a club and the other who is playing in the Championship. Dunne and Collins were starting to show their age and Given wasn't as good as we all thought he would be. Three managers have tried and failed to get the best out Ireland and he probably won't pull up any trees at Stoke either. As for N'Zogbia, he's had two season's to show us what he can do and he's only done it in flashes.

No he didn't inherit a pile of shit, but it wasn't fantastic either.

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #109 on: October 28, 2013, 12:25:41 PM »
The place has never recovered from Bulldozing The Trinity.

The atmosphere is never as intense as it could get when you had a full VP and the noise seemed to stay in the Ground.

Now its a bit like a County Cricket match.

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #110 on: October 28, 2013, 12:34:07 PM »
Won 33  Drawn 36 Lost 31.  (It is 100 games, so you know the percentages ! )
I am crap at working out percentages so can you please  put this in percentages?

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #111 on: October 28, 2013, 12:36:45 PM »
The place has never recovered from Bulldozing The Trinity.

The atmosphere is never as intense as it could get when you had a full VP and the noise seemed to stay in the Ground.

Now its a bit like a County Cricket match.
You obviously have not been to a County cricket match lately?

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #112 on: October 28, 2013, 12:42:28 PM »
The place has never recovered from Bulldozing The Trinity.

The atmosphere is never as intense as it could get when you had a full VP and the noise seemed to stay in the Ground.

Now its a bit like a County Cricket match.
You obviously have not been to a County cricket match lately?
Guilty. :-[

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #113 on: October 28, 2013, 12:47:32 PM »
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Won 33  Drawn 36 Lost 31.  (It is 100 games, so you know the percentages ! )
I am crap at working out percentages so can you please  put this in percentages?

I am sure you are joking but on the outside chance you are not just put a percentage sign after each figure.

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #114 on: October 28, 2013, 12:51:59 PM »
I went to Bears' game last season. It was a Wednesday. Nearest living thing to me were a loft of pigeons and the chap fielding at long on. All about 50 yards away.

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #115 on: October 28, 2013, 12:54:20 PM »
I am sure you are joking but on the outside chance you are not just put a percentage sign after each figure.
For the sake of diversity you have to take me seriously so thanks!!

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #116 on: October 28, 2013, 12:57:58 PM »
Norwich have out spent us in the previous two summer windows, without having to re-build an entire squad.

Lambert chose to rebuild an entire squad .

I have now editted my post above.

Lambert had no choice but to re-build a squad. He inherrited a side that was rotten to the core, failed to reach 40 points and was a hair away from being relegated

He also inherited a squad with players who had delivered in the past in the premiership

Lambert inherited a squad that cost huge multi millions - not a pile of shit .



He also inherited a squad which mostly needed improving, starting with two full backs, one of which at the moment can't get a club and the other who is playing in the Championship. Dunne and Collins were starting to show their age and Given wasn't as good as we all thought he would be. Three managers have tried and failed to get the best out Ireland and he probably won't pull up any trees at Stoke either. As for N'Zogbia, he's had two season's to show us what he can do and he's only done it in flashes.

No he didn't inherit a pile of shit, but it wasn't fantastic either.

Not fantastic no , but a midtable team at least if Mcleish hadn't been so negative.
You cannot buy 15 players all of whom have never played in the premiership and expect things to just gel , good teams are built on a blend of youth and experience  - this team lacks leadership when we fall behind and the experience of players to help the younger lads when things are going wrong.

I firmly believe that with the squad inherited and the money he has had since taking over that we should comfortably be a midtable side .

That's not to say we won't be that this season but the home form of 4 defeats in 5 games has to be addressed fast - there are no easy games in this league and although we have played a lot of the top teams it will still be a hard battle against the likes of west ham and Cardiff .

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #117 on: October 28, 2013, 01:15:32 PM »
I suppose the main reason why he's mainly shopped abroad and in the lower leagues is because of cost. If he'd have gone out and brought let's say 8 premiership players, it would have cost us a fortune and not done the wage bill any good either.

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #118 on: October 28, 2013, 01:26:07 PM »
I suppose the main reason why he's mainly shopped abroad and in the lower leagues is because of cost. If he'd have gone out and brought let's say 8 premiership players, it would have cost us a fortune and not done the wage bill any good either.

Maybe but you could mix things and  blend experience with younger foreign players - this team lacks leaders and experience when things go wrong.

I am not by any means calling for his head but he has made mistakes and  I find sylla not being in the team quite baffling as we looked so much better last season with him in midfield .

The next 2 months will be interesting to see where we are at new year.
« Last Edit: October 28, 2013, 01:29:34 PM by eastie »

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Re: At home but where is the comfort?
« Reply #119 on: October 28, 2013, 01:30:20 PM »
we played some of the best stuff in ages at home and should have been well out of the picture before they scored. Two chances fell to our top forward who had he been fit and at his unsual sharpest would have been dispatched without issue, and irrespective of the incredible form of their keeper. Home form has been a concern for ages but in the PL if you don't take your chances home or away someone is going to punish you. It happened to be from a team that has started really well, built over many years to be consistent and solid with the added bonus of finally having a clinical striker. Had this display been as insipid a home display as some in recent memory I'd be quite concerned. But for the first time in what seems like ages we played as a home team should and should have won. We do that in the next few games, and play away like we know we can we'll be just fine.

We're a good team that now needs a win urgently to start believing that again. And I don't Benteke being so charitable again in the future.

 


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