Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Post-Match Thread

[Clampy]

I think anybody accusing Lambert of being a negative manager hasn't been watching him.

So you think he is positive? On what basis?

Displays against citeh, pool, bar codes, spuds, hull would suggest otherwise. Like others on here I got carried away after the first two games but otherwise we are as poor as last season

You thought the City game wasn't positive? Really?

[David_Nab]

The big problem with Kozak as I see it is he is an old fashioned number 9 in as much as he needs service , in all honestly CURRENTLY  he doesn't off more than Bent in the regard outside the box he is not offering enough.There was little to know cohesion with the front 3 yesterday untill Benteke came on.

I think the 4-3-3 does need to be modified at home Wiemann and Gabby work best as wide attackers counter attacking when the build up is slower they are not as effective neither are clever enough. It doesn't help that 2 of the 3 midfielders AW and KEA and nice and tidy but rarely if at all support the attack and as seen by the 2nd goal too easily out muscled off the ball.

[supertom]

I think anybody accusing Lambert of being a negative manager hasn't been watching him.

So you think he is positive? On what basis?

Displays against citeh, pool, bar codes, spuds, hull would suggest otherwise. Like others on here I got carried away after the first two games but otherwise we are as poor as last season

You thought the City game wasn't positive? Really?

If he's talking about attacking intent then not that positive. We set out to try and keep the score down, frustrate them and possibly nick a result. We scored three fairly fortunate goals from City falling asleep (and the lino), and didn't have any chances aside.
That was a game where our first thought was defending.

I'm not complaining though. Three points is three points.

I actually think in the last two games we have had intent to attack. The main problem has been our (lack of) ability. Poor ball control and passing and keeping everything so narrow (in the areas where, if you're to succeed as an attacking force, ball control and passing are essential) don't help matters.

Perhaps against Spurs we should have been a bit more negative and gone 5 at the back. Clark was injured I guess, so maybe we would have had he played. We need to get more width in our side. Is it any wonder our best chances yesterday (few and far between) came from wide positions?

[Clampy]

I think anybody accusing Lambert of being a negative manager hasn't been watching him.

So you think he is positive? On what basis?

Displays against citeh, pool, bar codes, spuds, hull would suggest otherwise. Like others on here I got carried away after the first two games but otherwise we are as poor as last season

You thought the City game wasn't positive? Really?

If he's talking about attacking intent then not that positive. We set out to try and keep the score down, frustrate them and possibly nick a result. We scored three fairly fortunate goals from City falling asleep (and the lino), and didn't have any chances aside.
That was a game where our first thought was defending.

Perhaps against Spurs we should have been a bit more negative and gone 5 at the back. Clark was injured I guess, so maybe we would have had he played. We need to get more width in our side. Is it any wonder our best chances yesterday (few and far between) came from wide positions?

I disagree. For the Man City game Lambert had two of his three main strikers out so rather than play maybe Tonev and possibly leave us a bit vunerable against a very good attacking side, he played it safer and it worked.

But you say we maybe should have played 5 at the back yesterday? Would'nt that have been keeping the score down, the same thing you accused us of doing against City?

[Rudy65]

I think anybody accusing Lambert of being a negative manager hasn't been watching him.

So you think he is positive? On what basis?

Displays against citeh, pool, bar codes, spuds, hull would suggest otherwise. Like others on here I got carried away after the first two games but otherwise we are as poor as last season

You thought the City game wasn't positive? Really?

I nearly didnt include that game in my list. The consensus after the match, including mine was that we got lucky. City dominated thefirst half. You get lucky once in a while, but more often than not (see my list of games) you dont. Yesterday being a case in point.

Lambert doesnt have the quality in the squad, we all know that, due to financial restrictions when compared to the likes of Spurs. However, there is no excuse for a defensive minded approach and the fact that after the Chelsea game we have played poorly. There is a lack of skill, passion, pass and move, ingenuity etc etc. our dead balls, bar Bacuma's free kick, are shocking.

If McLeish has presided over the last few performances this form would be in melt down.

[Clampy]

I think anybody accusing Lambert of being a negative manager hasn't been watching him.

So you think he is positive? On what basis?

Displays against citeh, pool, bar codes, spuds, hull would suggest otherwise. Like others on here I got carried away after the first two games but otherwise we are as poor as last season

You thought the City game wasn't positive? Really?

I nearly didnt include that game in my list. The consensus after the match, including mine was that we got lucky. City dominated thefirst half. You get lucky once in a while, but more often than not (see my list of games) you dont. Yesterday being a case in point.

Lambert doesnt have the quality in the squad, we all know that, due to financial restrictions when compared to the likes of Spurs. However, there is no excuse for a defensive minded approach and the fact that after the Chelsea game we have played poorly. There is a lack of skill, passion, pass and move, ingenuity etc etc. our dead balls, bar Bacuma's free kick, are shocking.

If McLeish has presided over the last few performances this form would be in melt down.

I wouldn't call 4-3-3 defensive minded, I really wouldn't.

[Rudy65]

The big problem with Kozak as I see it is he is an old fashioned number 9 in as much as he needs service , in all honestly CURRENTLY  he doesn't off more than Bent in the regard outside the box he is not offering enough.There was little to know cohesion with the front 3 yesterday untill Benteke came on.

I think the 4-3-3 does need to be modified at home Wiemann and Gabby work best as wide attackers counter attacking when the build up is slower they are not as effective neither are clever enough. It doesn't help that 2 of the 3 midfielders AW and KEA and nice and tidy but rarely if at all support the attack and as seen by the 2nd goal too easily out muscled off the ball.

Exactly re Bent. We off load him to Fulham and sign someone who looks a shadow of Bent in terms of goal scoring prowess.

That said Kojak gets no service to really do anything

[Rudy65]

I think anybody accusing Lambert of being a negative manager hasn't been watching him.

So you think he is positive? On what basis?

Displays against citeh, pool, bar codes, spuds, hull would suggest otherwise. Like others on here I got carried away after the first two games but otherwise we are as poor as last season

You thought the City game wasn't positive? Really?

I nearly didnt include that game in my list. The consensus after the match, including mine was that we got lucky. City dominated thefirst half. You get lucky once in a while, but more often than not (see my list of games) you dont. Yesterday being a case in point.

Lambert doesnt have the quality in the squad, we all know that, due to financial restrictions when compared to the likes of Spurs. However, there is no excuse for a defensive minded approach and the fact that after the Chelsea game we have played poorly. There is a lack of skill, passion, pass and move, ingenuity etc etc. our dead balls, bar Bacuma's free kick, are shocking.

If McLeish has presided over the last few performances this form would be in melt down.

I wouldn't call 4-3-3 defensive minded, I really wouldn't.

You can quote whatever formations you want, its how we actually play on the pitch that is the proof. We play defensively at home and pay accordingly. I just wish he'd have a go from the off. We aren't good enough defensively to play a defensive game. The Italians perfected it years ago because they had the likes of Baresi, ditto Arsenal under Graham with Adam etc

The general quality of play is poor. This is Lamberts team and tactics

[eastie]

Too many players are not performing regularly t the required level this season - gabby, Weimann, Westwood, kea , luna all need to improve consistency .

[Clampy]

I think anybody accusing Lambert of being a negative manager hasn't been watching him.

So you think he is positive? On what basis?

Displays against citeh, pool, bar codes, spuds, hull would suggest otherwise. Like others on here I got carried away after the first two games but otherwise we are as poor as last season

You thought the City game wasn't positive? Really?

I nearly didnt include that game in my list. The consensus after the match, including mine was that we got lucky. City dominated thefirst half. You get lucky once in a while, but more often than not (see my list of games) you dont. Yesterday being a case in point.

Lambert doesnt have the quality in the squad, we all know that, due to financial restrictions when compared to the likes of Spurs. However, there is no excuse for a defensive minded approach and the fact that after the Chelsea game we have played poorly. There is a lack of skill, passion, pass and move, ingenuity etc etc. our dead balls, bar Bacuma's free kick, are shocking.

If McLeish has presided over the last few performances this form would be in melt down.

I wouldn't call 4-3-3 defensive minded, I really wouldn't.

You can quote whatever formations you want

I did and it's 4-3-3. What formation would you call it?

[sirlordbaltimore]

I wouldn't call 4-3-3 defensive minded, I really wouldn't.

I would when usually all but one is defending

[pauliewalnuts]

If McLeish has presided over the last few performances this form would be in melt down.

The last two performances have been piss poor.

I think one of the major differences re your McLeish comparison is that with Lambert, he's not a disciple of dour football, he's trying to get us playing attractively and sometimes failing.

McLeish never tried, and that was what was so monumentally depressing about him, he was doing "what he does" and it was never going to be different.

I can remember previous relegations, and some truly terrible Villa sides eeking out poor performances in front or 14k people, and that was horrible at times, but I still maintain, I never had the hope and enjoyment so comprehensively sucked out of supporting Villa as McLeish managed in one single season.

[Legion]

It looked like 7-0-3 at times on Sunday.

[JUAN PABLO]

Had to watch it in a Islington pub , which I bloody hated ,spurs fans clapping while eating their 20 pound steaks .

Was not surprised with the outcome .

The money on kozak instead of creative midfielder ,I still don't understand.

[PaulWinch again]

If McLeish has presided over the last few performances this form would be in melt down.

The last two performances have been piss poor.

I think one of the major differences re your McLeish comparison is that with Lambert, he's not a disciple of dour football, he's trying to get us playing attractively and sometimes failing.

McLeish never tried, and that was what was so monumentally depressing about him, he was doing "what he does" and it was never going to be different.

I can remember previous relegations, and some truly terrible Villa sides eeking out poor performances in front or 14k people, and that was horrible at times, but I still maintain, I never had the hope and enjoyment so comprehensively sucked out of supporting Villa as McLeish managed in one single season.

I agree there is clearly a fundamental difference in philsophy between the current regime and the Mcleish era. It might not work all the time, but we do try to win now.