Hull City v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Bad English]

Highlights from yesterday's game:

You forgot the point and the clean sheet.

[PeterWithesShin]

Just like some people count the stones in the Great Pyramid at Gizeh and deduce the date of the end of life on earth, you could trawl through the content of the posts on this forum and prove anything you like including the assertion that we wrote off Christian Benteke this time last year.   He scored on his debut (okay so did Kozak and so did Helenius) but by the time we played Swindon it was blindingly obvious that he was very special.

What I object to is the use of "we" in these threads when the poster means "I" or "some of us".

Much like some people forget that they kept creating threads last season saying they had stopped going to the Villa as they deemed us too shit to bother, spent months saying we were nailed on for the drop and so on.

Benteke was slaughtered on here by some, you saying he wasn't doesn't change that Brian.

[Navin R Johnson]

At least it has become "people" at the ground and on forums who were "piling" critiscm of Benteke.   I regard that as a step in the right direction in the pursuit of the truth.

So these "people" are now justified in their bile towards Benteke because Kozak has had a disappointing start to the season?   Are they going to be lying in wait for the next sitter missed by Benteke and start up a chorus of "we told you he was rubbish after the Baggies game on 22nd of October 2011"?

[PeterWithesShin]

Look through the threads Brian, it's really not difficult to see that it's true. And no one apart from you has said anything about justification for the stick Benteke got.

We can pursue the truth about name changes, stopping going to games because someone deemed us too shit to bother with if you like?

[olaftab]

So these "people" are now justified in their bile towards Benteke because Kozak has had a disappointing start to the season?   Are they going to be lying in wait for the next sitter missed by Benteke and start up a chorus of "we told you he was rubbish after the Baggies game on 22nd of October 2011"?

You are now stretching the debate in a different direction.
I think the point some of us are making is give him time because if  the club had written off Benteke after the early games that would ave been a huge mistake and same could happen for Kozak. Kozak may ell turn out to be a donkey however it is too early to judge now.

[eamonn]

Benteke was younger, with all the physical attributes to improve quickly. Kozak looks a lot more leaden-paced, timid in the air and no better at shooting. But he deserves time to prove himself.

Having said that, if Benteke misses the next game I'd like to see Helenius get the nod behind Weimann or Gabby.

[olaftab]

Benteke was younger, with all the physical attributes to improve quickly. Kozak looks a lot more leaden-paced, timid in the air and no better at shooting. But he deserves time to prove himself.

These are good differences you have pointed out eamonn. I think for Kozak it's about settling into the PL football and demands of our coaching staff.

[Damo70]

Two clean sheets in three PL games is another step in the right direction. And it is too soon to judge Kozak.

[BC54 VFC]

At least it has become "people" at the ground and on forums who were "piling" critiscm of Benteke.   I regard that as a step in the right direction in the pursuit of the truth.

So these "people" are now justified in their bile towards Benteke because Kozak has had a disappointing start to the season?   Are they going to be lying in wait for the next sitter missed by Benteke and start up a chorus of "we told you he was rubbish after the Baggies game on 22nd of October 2011"?

Probably not, because Benteke was plying his trade with Genk in October 2011. I think you may mean 30th September, 2012.

[peter w]

Re- You're not English anymore - surely a reference to us being owned by an American?

[eastie]

Kozak hasn't looked that bad - he needs time to find his feet , but he's scored a winner and his movement contributed to the Weimann winner last week - we have a gem in benteke but Kozak may turn out to be very useful too .

[eastie]

Re- You're not English anymore - surely a reference to us being owned by an American?

I don't think thats the case for one minute - hull are not owned by an Englishman either .
The reference was towards the population in birmingham.

[peter w]

but you don't know that. You "think".

[SamTheMouse]

Benteke did get criticised in his first few games, but it was plain he had the physical game and technique to be effective in England. The early doubts were more about his link-up play, composure and finishing.

With Kozak it's the other way around. The movement he showed against Norwich just minutes into his Villa career was promising. But he's stick-thin and to me he looks awful in the air. If he's been bought as a like-for-like replacement for Benteke, then he's going to end up disappointing everyone. I hate it when teams have a big guy up front who's weak and shit in the air, because his teammates inevitably get tempted to lump it to him and it never works.

[eastie]

but you don't know that. You "think".

It certainly wasn't a reference to us being owned by randy lerner- fact!
There is no place for racist chants in football or any walk of life and I have no doubt that the hull chant was a reference to  the population in birmingham  and it am surprised you think  it would be to do with our owner - considering their own owner is foreign.

The hull fans chanted homophobic songs at brighton last year and  some are a nasty bunch.