Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Post-Match Thread

[Pete3206]

Put the kids in, etc.

[saunders_heroes]

Put the kids in, etc.

Sack the board, etc. bring back the old chants!

[timeoutbigbar]

I haven't read the entire thread but I've seen several people mention that Helenius looks promising.  Really?  I'm not trying to be negative but I haven't seen him do anything remotely useful since pre season, and i'd lump Tonev in with him.  Albrighton gave it a go tonight, fear it might be a bit late for him here though.

Disappointing.  I expected us to lose tonight, Spurs have improved their squad immensly, I just hoped to see something encouraging from someone.  A shame to say I didn't.

I think that's fair enough, and yet... There were signs of, if not immediate quality, then at least the promise of it. Helenius clearly has not got used to not having 20 yards of space to play in however even by the end of this game he was showing signs of adapting. Tonev also showed some tenacity, a good engine and put in some good balls in the second half.

I think a big problem is if you put them into a team with a clear way of playing and a bit of confidence then they would develop faster but as individuals running aimlessly around the pitch and getting overrun everywhere, it's not as easy to see the promise.

I agree to an extent.  It isn't like I'm hoping things don't work out, I hope they both come good.  I just currently can't see that they add anything to the team.  With any luck they'll develop into good PL players.

[Goldie.7]

Tickets £32
Fuel £25
Parking £5
Programme £3
Various ancillary items £8

So £73 spunked for that shite, fucking disgusted
No effort at All

32 quid for a Carling cup game really? I thought 20 quid was top price tonight?

2 tickets and booking fee i'm assuming.

I got a refund on the booking fee after 10 or so emails.

[warleyboy]

What a load of shite, a piss poor, heartless, amateurish, lacklustre, inept, weak, structure less performance.
Again, defense left wanting, midfield running around at 100mph like headless chickens, achieving next to nothing, strikers with none of the ability of Tekkers.

We have taken a giant step backwards since the last 4 months of last season.

[ozzjim]

I think people are very quick to forget that football today is not the same as 10 years ago. The difference in spend is not a few million here and there now, it is hundreds of millions of pounds. Spurs can afford it through massive ticket prices, London location and huge backers that are richer than Lerner. We can't. They put out a side tonight, their reserve side, that would probably be better than our first team all season. It is not being defeatest either, it is acknowledging that the playing field is so far tipped towards the money sides now, that those without have to plan differently.

Lambert is building. He has been in the job 15 months? If we are playing like this in 5 years I will be worried, but seriously, the reason Everton are in a good state for Martinez to build if because they gave Moyes 10 years despite finishing bottom 5 a couple of times. Swansea are an impressive side because they have stuck to a particular philosophy and approach over a long period of time.

Our next step is to spend say 30 million of the TV money on 3 players not 10. This will elevate the rest of the players and improve us no-end. At the moment we only have 3-4 class players and the rest are work men. We need more quality, but Lambert started pretty much from scratch and we need to give him 4-5 years IMO to sort it.

[saunders_heroes]

I think people are very quick to forget that football today is not the same as 10 years ago. The difference in spend is not a few million here and there now, it is hundreds of millions of pounds. Spurs can afford it through massive ticket prices, London location and huge backers that are richer than Lerner. We can't. They put out a side tonight, their reserve side, that would probably be better than our first team all season. It is not being defeatest either, it is acknowledging that the playing field is so far tipped towards the money sides now, that those without have to plan differently.

Lambert is building. He has been in the job 15 months? If we are playing like this in 5 years I will be worried, but seriously, the reason Everton are in a good state for Martinez to build if because they gave Moyes 10 years despite finishing bottom 5 a couple of times. Swansea are an impressive side because they have stuck to a particular philosophy and approach over a long period of time.

Our next step is to spend say 30 million of the TV money on 3 players not 10. This will elevate the rest of the players and improve us no-end. At the moment we only have 3-4 class players and the rest are work men. We need more quality, but Lambert started pretty much from scratch and we need to give him 4-5 years IMO to sort it.

I couldn't put up with another season of this shit let alone 5 years of it. It's naive to think he'd get that amount of time in the job with these sort of results.

[ozzjim]

I totally disagree. With the funds available to buy essentially a whole squad, until he has had time to mould it and get in some better quality than he has chance to so far, it is impossible to know what it could be like. We have flashes of playing really well. Okore looked a bloody good player. We are in a similar boat to last season I would readily admit, but what the feck would be the point of starting again with someone else. I would bet in 3 years time we look a very decent side. Competing against sides worth 150 million plus - unless we are taken over that just will not happen. Even Wenger is having to spend 40 million on a player to stay with the top group. We played with 8-9 players out tonight. And to be honest, I am totally and utterly nonplussed about losing. Could not give a shit.

[Louzie0]

I think people are very quick to forget that football today is not the same as 10 years ago. The difference in spend is not a few million here and there now, it is hundreds of millions of pounds. Spurs can afford it through massive ticket prices, London location and huge backers that are richer than Lerner. We can't. They put out a side tonight, their reserve side, that would probably be better than our first team all season. It is not being defeatest either, it is acknowledging that the playing field is so far tipped towards the money sides now, that those without have to plan differently.

Lambert is building. He has been in the job 15 months? If we are playing like this in 5 years I will be worried, but seriously, the reason Everton are in a good state for Martinez to build if because they gave Moyes 10 years despite finishing bottom 5 a couple of times. Swansea are an impressive side because they have stuck to a particular philosophy and approach over a long period of time.

Our next step is to spend say 30 million of the TV money on 3 players not 10. This will elevate the rest of the players and improve us no-end. At the moment we only have 3-4 class players and the rest are work men. We need more quality, but Lambert started pretty much from scratch and we need to give him 4-5 years IMO to sort it.

I would like it to be faster! Agree with your scenario.

[Monty]

They have a much better squad than us, fewer injuries to key players and even got the rub of the green. Results like this happen when games go like that. Even AVB said they got away with it on Helenius.

There's only one positive to take from this game, but it is a positive: if Albrighton can stay fit we might have a genuine winger to bring into the side should we need it.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I think people are very quick to forget that football today is not the same as 10 years ago. The difference in spend is not a few million here and there now, it is hundreds of millions of pounds. Spurs can afford it through massive ticket prices, London location and huge backers that are richer than Lerner. We can't. They put out a side tonight, their reserve side, that would probably be better than our first team all season. It is not being defeatest either, it is acknowledging that the playing field is so far tipped towards the money sides now, that those without have to plan differently.

Lambert is building. He has been in the job 15 months? If we are playing like this in 5 years I will be worried, but seriously, the reason Everton are in a good state for Martinez to build if because they gave Moyes 10 years despite finishing bottom 5 a couple of times. Swansea are an impressive side because they have stuck to a particular philosophy and approach over a long period of time.

Our next step is to spend say 30 million of the TV money on 3 players not 10. This will elevate the rest of the players and improve us no-end. At the moment we only have 3-4 class players and the rest are work men. We need more quality, but Lambert started pretty much from scratch and we need to give him 4-5 years IMO to sort it.

Interesting point of view, Ozz but in 5 years time where will football be? Will we forever be playing catch up? My concern is we're not even getting the basics right and Lambert has bought into the headlines about us being a counter attacking team. MON did the same thing and in 5 years only managed to build a team on quicksand. The last three games (Liverpool, Rotherham and Norwich), despite winning two have shown we really lack a tactical plan. Tonight just confirmed it.

[Hoppo]

Being pragmatic.. We were shit.

[brontebilly]

Shocking scoreline but they have a far stronger squad than us. Kozak being taken off at half time is worrying, injured or crap? Pity Nzogbia wasn't fit as it might be time to give Gabby or Weimann a chance down the middle.

The absence of probably our two best players, Okore and Benteke for the next while is worrying. Probably no harm for Clark's confidence that he wasn't playing tonight.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Kozak being taken off at half time is worrying, injured or crap?

Lambert indicated post match he had just given him some extra match minutes. Presumably he took him off to make sure was fully rested for the weekend.

[Malandro]

shit cup (Obviously only say that when we are out)