Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Post-Match Thread

[dave.woodhall]

How much money do you think an owner should donate to his club every summer then?

He could speculate to accumulate. We didn't mind telling Doug Ellis to do the same year in year out.

So now you're comparing a man who's already speculated over a quarter of a billion pounds with one who never put a penny into the club and took around £40 million out.

[dave.woodhall]

How much money do you think an owner should donate to his club every summer then?

He isn't donating anything,investing yes.But just like his other ventures it seems to be going tits up.

I can just imagine the howls of outrage if he ever got any sort of return from this 'investment'.

[saunders_heroes]

How much money do you think an owner should donate to his club every summer then?

He could speculate to accumulate. We didn't mind telling Doug Ellis to do the same year in year out.

So now you're comparing a man who's already speculated over a quarter of a billion pounds with one who never put a penny into the club and took around £40 million out.

Am I right in thinking a lot of the money Lerner has put in the club are actually loans? As for the rest, well it doesn't look like he's done a very good job. In fact it's been appalling.

[onje_villa]

On the one hand, Lambert's plan sounds great. If you notice, every time we go a few weeks without a game, confidence builds up because there's just so much there to believe in - club was rotten, reinvesting in youth, sell-on values, young and hungry, attacking football etc

Then you watch another insipid performance like that and you wonder whether you just want to believe in it, you really do but it's all bullshit. At the end of the day there have been some peculiar decisions made by PL, not significantly strengthening the defence and seemingly turning out teams at VP with no game plan whatsoever.

I'm desperate to believe in the Lambert plan, I don't want to consider the alternatives but I'm very concerned about our lack of quality, especially at home and perhaps moreso, I'm horrified by some fans' acceptance of our new place in the world, as the bottom feeders of the Premier League. Fuck you most of all.

[bertlambshank]

How much money do you think an owner should donate to his club every summer then?

He could speculate to accumulate. We didn't mind telling Doug Ellis to do the same year in year out.

So now you're comparing a man who's already speculated over a quarter of a billion pounds with one who never put a penny into the club and took around £40 million out.

A quarter of a billion and probably on the pitch no better.We have one day out at Wembley to show for it.Not knocking how much he has spent,more what he has done with it.

[dave.woodhall]

How much money do you think an owner should donate to his club every summer then?

He could speculate to accumulate. We didn't mind telling Doug Ellis to do the same year in year out.

So now you're comparing a man who's already speculated over a quarter of a billion pounds with one who never put a penny into the club and took around £40 million out.

Am I right in thinking a lot of the money Lerner has put in the club are actually loans? As for the rest, well it doesn't look like he's done a very good job. In fact it's been appalling.

Loans which he has a) turned into shares or b) declined interest payments on.

[saunders_heroes]

How much money do you think an owner should donate to his club every summer then?

He could speculate to accumulate. We didn't mind telling Doug Ellis to do the same year in year out.

So now you're comparing a man who's already speculated over a quarter of a billion pounds with one who never put a penny into the club and took around £40 million out.

A quarter of a billion and probably on the pitch no better.We have one day out at Wembley to show for it.Not knocking how much he has spent,more what he has done with it.

Ain't that the truth! To me he just seems incompetent.

[bertlambshank]

How much money do you think an owner should donate to his club every summer then?

He isn't donating anything,investing yes.But just like his other ventures it seems to be going tits up.

I can just imagine the howls of outrage if he ever got any sort of return from this 'investment'.

Not from me,he didn't buy us because he loved us,it was an investment.I would love it if got any money back because then we would be a success.

[saunders_heroes]

On the one hand, Lambert's plan sounds great. If you notice, every time we go a few weeks without a game, confidence builds up because there's just so much there to believe in - club was rotten, reinvesting in youth, sell-on values, young and hungry, attacking football etc

Then you watch another insipid performance like that and you wonder whether you just want to believe in it, you really do but it's all bullshit. At the end of the day there have been some peculiar decisions made by PL, not significantly strengthening the defence and seemingly turning out teams at VP with no game plan whatsoever.

I'm desperate to believe in the Lambert plan, I don't want to consider the alternatives but I'm very concerned about our lack of quality, especially at home and perhaps moreso, I'm horrified by some fans' acceptance of our new place in the world, as the bottom feeders of the Premier League. Fuck you most of all.

Hear hear!

[Dave Clark Five]

Does anyone from the club read this? It would be nice to know an insiders, honest, view.

[timeoutbigbar]

I haven't read the entire thread but I've seen several people mention that Helenius looks promising.  Really?  I'm not trying to be negative but I haven't seen him do anything remotely useful since pre season, and i'd lump Tonev in with him.  Albrighton gave it a go tonight, fear it might be a bit late for him here though.

Disappointing.  I expected us to lose tonight, Spurs have improved their squad immensly, I just hoped to see something encouraging from someone.  A shame to say I didn't.

[aj2k77]

Big clubs consistently do bad because they have either

A. Shite manager
B. Shite chairman
C. Both

We are now in the category of big clubs that are consistently bad.

[Dave Clark Five]

How much money do you think an owner should donate to his club every summer then?

He could speculate to accumulate. We didn't mind telling Doug Ellis to do the same year in year out.

So now you're comparing a man who's already speculated over a quarter of a billion pounds with one who never put a penny into the club and took around £40 million out.

Did either of these men balance the books?

[onje_villa]

I haven't read the entire thread but I've seen several people mention that Helenius looks promising.  Really?  I'm not trying to be negative but I haven't seen him do anything remotely useful since pre season, and i'd lump Tonev in with him.  Albrighton gave it a go tonight, fear it might be a bit late for him here though.

Disappointing.  I expected us to lose tonight, Spurs have improved their squad immensly, I just hoped to see something encouraging from someone.  A shame to say I didn't.

I think that's fair enough, and yet... There were signs of, if not immediate quality, then at least the promise of it. Helenius clearly has not got used to not having 20 yards of space to play in however even by the end of this game he was showing signs of adapting. Tonev also showed some tenacity, a good engine and put in some good balls in the second half.

I think a big problem is if you put them into a team with a clear way of playing and a bit of confidence then they would develop faster but as individuals running aimlessly around the pitch and getting overrun everywhere, it's not as easy to see the promise.

[dave.woodhall]

How much money do you think an owner should donate to his club every summer then?

He could speculate to accumulate. We didn't mind telling Doug Ellis to do the same year in year out.

So now you're comparing a man who's already speculated over a quarter of a billion pounds with one who never put a penny into the club and took around £40 million out.

Did either of these men balance the books?

One of them managed it. Then again, he did sell a European Cup-winning team to do so.