Aston Villa v Tottenham Hotspur Post-Match Thread

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I dont see how people can get so worked up. It doesn't even feel like a proper game.

Mish mash side, an almost half empty ground, no atmosphere, an almost eventless game played out at speeds almost training level at times, with no season ticket holders around you. Ergh. Home cup games are wankety wank.

[Louzie0]

I knew there would be this kind of mellowdrama.

Shock horror Spurs stiffs are comfortably better than ours.

There was no need to play our stiffs tonight .

Who else was there?!

[simman]

Should it also have been a red card?

Penalty.
Red Card.
And the guy who lashed out at Lowton because he was tackled fairly and lost the ball wasn't even spoken to.
Inconsistency in refereeing?
This was the blooper video all in one game!
I'm embarrassed that the ref's name is Moss!

you know what? You are dead right!
I wasn't going to mention the officials again but................
I got told to 'grow up' tonight when I had a go at the 4th official who popped into the Spurs dug out, and stayed there, with his little board, while they made a decision about who and when to make a substitution. He was quite happily having a chat with all of their subs and management
Again a frustration, and may not have directly influenced the outcome, but not surprising that supporters get fed up of officials> and their antics

[saunders_heroes]

So, we're now the English equivalent of the Cleveland Browns.

Because we lost a League Cup third round tie?

In isolation you would have a point, but we've had too many of these type of performances since Lambert took over.

We also had a lot of them under every other manager, including worse cup results than tonight which have been forgotten.

You're right we have, but Lambert has provided us with some quite humiliating results in his short time at Villa.

Would you get rid of him now then?

No, I'd give him till Christmas. If we're struggling at the foot of the table he should be given the boot. I think he's damn lucky to be still in the job if I'm honest. Managers have been sacked for a lot less than the shit he's put us through. I certainly accept that he's had his hands tied behind his back by Lerner's lack of cash, but what little money he's been given (especially this summer) I don't think he's spent well. I'm flabbergasted that he only thought it wise to buy one centre back (a 20 year old as well) when we had the worst defence in recent memory.
Surely you're not happy seeing us being thumped like this so often, especially at home?

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

I knew there would be this kind of mellowdrama.

Shock horror Spurs stiffs are comfortably better than ours.

Not knocking you at all Ads, but it wasn't Spurs stiffs was it?
Paulinho? Sandro? Defoe?
They put out a team to win the game, probably knowing our injury problems.
The thing that bugs me is that we were pretty clueless and wasteful with the ball (my main gripe!) in every area of the game- if Bradford F***ing City can organise a team to test us, surely the Villa can make things a bit tough for Spuds at VP?

[picicata]

Did you still support O'Neill when he put out a second-string team and they lost to Leicester and QPR?

I hate it when our managers do not take the cups seriously. So no I did not support O'Neill.

You do know that Benteke, Delph, Gabby and Okore are all injured don't you? The only players you can really say were 'rested' were Weimann and Guzan and they would not have made much difference to that result.

[olaftab]

Christ, if its like this tonight I can't wait for Saturday :S

Saturday is just another league game. Tonight we are out of the cup without even a whimper.

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This season we have been turned over once.

[dave.woodhall]

So, we're now the English equivalent of the Cleveland Browns.

Because we lost a League Cup third round tie?

In isolation you would have a point, but we've had too many of these type of performances since Lambert took over.

We also had a lot of them under every other manager, including worse cup results than tonight which have been forgotten.

You're right we have, but Lambert has provided us with some quite humiliating results in his short time at Villa.

Would you get rid of him now then?

No, I'd give him till Christmas. If we're struggling at the foot of the table he should be given the boot. I think he's damn lucky to be still in the job if I'm honest. Managers have been sacked for a lot less than the shit he's put us through. I certainly accept that he's had his hands tied behind his back by Lerner's lack of cash, but what little money he's been given (especially this summer) I don't think he's spent well. I'm flabbergasted that he only thought it wise to buy one centre back (a 20 year old as well) when we had the worst defence in recent memory.
Surely you're not happy seeing us being thumped like this so often, especially at home?

I'm pissed off about tonight, but it has to be accepted that this competition doesn't really matter - the crowd alone is proof of that. As for being thumped like it so often, when was the last time we lost by more than one goal? As for "Lerner's lack of cash," perhaps you'd care to list how many managers have spent more in the last two summers.

[Tuscans]

Christ, if its like this tonight I can't wait for Saturday :S

Saturday is just another league game. Tonight we are out of the cup without even a whimper.

It was going to happen especially when you take out our best players.

[Louzie0]

Christ, if its like this tonight I can't wait for Saturday :S

Saturday is just another league game. Tonight we are out of the cup without even a whimper.

You were there, I wasn't, I have to acknowledge your first hand experience of this match.
I did hear on the radio that Villa players put up a fight. And there was the dodgy penalty non decision. They were keeping possession and attacking, apparently.  I can't ask for more from the players we have. They still have to develop and get better. And, they will!

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You're right, to say it was Spurs stiffs is over egging it. They were packed with quality and I am actually worried they may seriosuly challenge for the title given how bobbins everybody else seems to be.

[Tuscans]

If this result was against Man.Utd for example would people be kicking up such a fuss. I don't think they would because they see the word Man.Utd so expect it but I think Spurs have pushed on in such a way that we have to really fear them and what they could do this year and years to come. Top 3 definitely, title challengers maybe...we've thought relegation for 2 odd seasons, the difference is massive.

I expected Spurs to win comfortably, I expect Man.City to knock 4 maybe more past us...

People, lower your expectations seriously.

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There was bags of effort. Just no quality.

[onje_villa]

And the more I think about it, Im struggling to think of anything as bad  under McLeish as I've witnessed at home already this season.

The football was dull, but the organization was there. At least the players gave the impression they were being coached and working to a plan.

While I'm not saying for one minute I want to go back to that, you've got to start questioning Paul Lamberts credentials. What has he done to address the glaringly obvious failings of last season?

Is the Emperor as well dressed as we thought he was?

I like Lambert, and want him to do well, but I'm a bit concerned with our progress.

Our defence was shockingly bad last season. I mean, let's be honest, it was absolutely atrocious. You'd think that any sensible manager's first priority would have been to bring in some better quality defenders and try to rebalance the midfield to give us a proper screen in front of the back four. Now of course, he's been very unlucky with the Okore injury, and the young lad does look like he's going to be a really good signing. But he didn't bring in any proven quality at all, no experience in either defence or midfield. He's persisting with a midfield set-up that involves three central players charging around pressing the opposition, with nobody given specific instructions to sit and move laterally to mop up attacks and calm the play like Petrov did, and nobody specifically given licence to roam in front of the front men.

To me, he hasn't addressed the fundamental problems we had last year, he's just signed like for like players to expand the squad, not improve it. So logically, we can expect more of the same, until the existing players become better and more experienced themselves. Which is going to take a long time, and may not happen at all in some cases, especially if they have nobody better than them at the club to learn from.

Absolutely spot on.