Negativity

[john e]

footballs the national game, everyone has viewpoint

the people who devote there lives to it know the ins and outs of the game they know how the system works, when players go into management they know where to go what to do how to get around a training field etc

it doesn't mean they know any more than the average fan about the game though, they are just in the position to actually make a difference
there have been times over the years when everybody in the ground can see what needs to be done, which player needs to be taken off, which player needs to be put on, except the manager, who is as blind as a bat, and has not a clue what to do

I see managers of today like politicians, they have made there career in either politics or football, they would be pretty useless at doing anything else, therefore they think they know more than the rest of us,
 some do some dont

[olaftab]

Good post john e.

[olaftab]

I suggest that people should down their pens and leave the lengthy forensic examination of players, tactics and Manager till after about a third of the season has passed and not after 4/5/6 games. A lot will change...

[Dave Clark Five]

Best bit of negativity I've seen today:

http://www.astonvillalife.com/aston-villa-blog/is-it-time-to-protest-yet/?

[see responses to the blog]

"Of course Lambert sees what everyone else sees but he hasn’t the wit or talent to do anything about it. Norwich were statistically the team that hit the most long balls when Lambert was manager there, he’s now playing the same way at VP, he can’t recognise that things have moved on from when he played in the 70′s and 80′s just like McKnob couldn’t, he’s not a modern manager who can adapt his tactics. The comparisons with ginger are easy, both have limited ( one ) way of playing, neither can take criticism, both have very little talent and hopefully, very soon, both will be able to say that their EX managers of Aston Villa."

That's the beauty about football, it's all about opinions.

And the opinion of some bell-end that's never kicked a ball in his life is utterly fucking irrelevant.

The greatest captain this club has ever had once said to me that the trouble with modern football is that it's too easy for supporters to have their say. This was before blogs and social media so I don't think he was right then, but he's absolutely correct now. 

I take it you are referring to Dennis Mortimer whose comments surprise me - the fans contribute a lot towards the club and are entitled to have their say .

I think it is also too easy for footballers to have their say.

[olaftab]

He may well be a "bell-end" but his comments shouldn't just be ignored because he hasn't kicked a ball in his life before.

OK let's take direction from a bell-end and get rid of Lambert.

[saunders_heroes]

He may well be a "bell-end" but his comments shouldn't just be ignored because he hasn't kicked a ball in his life before.

OK let's take direction from a bell-end and get rid of Lambert.

Managers have been sacked for a lot less than some of the crap Lambert's served up at Villa so far.

[eastie]

He may well be a "bell-end" but his comments shouldn't just be ignored because he hasn't kicked a ball in his life before.

OK let's take direction from a bell-end and get rid of Lambert.

Managers have been sacked for a lot less than some of the crap Lambert's served up at Villa so far.

Ok Saturday was awful, but the other games this season we gave some top sides a really tough game - lets not assume we are back to the bad days of last winter just on the back of 1 poor display.
Win on Saturday and things will be looking much rosier.

[saunders_heroes]

He may well be a "bell-end" but his comments shouldn't just be ignored because he hasn't kicked a ball in his life before.

OK let's take direction from a bell-end and get rid of Lambert.

Managers have been sacked for a lot less than some of the crap Lambert's served up at Villa so far.

Ok Saturday was awful, but the other games this season we gave some top sides a really tough game - lets not assume we are back to the bad days of last winter just on the back of 1 poor display.
Win on Saturday and things will be looking much rosier.

I'm not calling for Lambert to be sacked I'm just saying that people shouldn't be surprised if other fans want him out. He's hardly been a rip roaring success since he arrived.

[Clampy]

He may well be a "bell-end" but his comments shouldn't just be ignored because he hasn't kicked a ball in his life before.

OK let's take direction from a bell-end and get rid of Lambert.

Managers have been sacked for a lot less than some of the crap Lambert's served up at Villa so far.

Ok Saturday was awful, but the other games this season we gave some top sides a really tough game - lets not assume we are back to the bad days of last winter just on the back of 1 poor display.
Win on Saturday and things will be looking much rosier.

I'm not calling for Lambert to be sacked I'm just saying that people shouldn't be surprised if other fans want him out. He's hardly been a rip roaring success since he arrived.

We can be surprised and we can disagree.

[eastie]

He may well be a "bell-end" but his comments shouldn't just be ignored because he hasn't kicked a ball in his life before.

OK let's take direction from a bell-end and get rid of Lambert.

Managers have been sacked for a lot less than some of the crap Lambert's served up at Villa so far.

Ok Saturday was awful, but the other games this season we gave some top sides a really tough game - lets not assume we are back to the bad days of last winter just on the back of 1 poor display.
Win on Saturday and things will be looking much rosier.

I'm not calling for Lambert to be sacked I'm just saying that people shouldn't be surprised if other fans want him out. He's hardly been a rip roaring success since he arrived.

No he hasn't but outperform form from February onwards has not been bad and I'm not prepared to let one bad game depress me too much- if we are struggling in the bottom 6 come November then fair enough for criticism  , but lets see how the next few weeks pan out.

[Dave Clark Five]

Eastie - you can reflect on things a few days after the game but how many people were showing signs of patiently waiting for something to turn up as they left the ground on Saturday?

[saunders_heroes]

He may well be a "bell-end" but his comments shouldn't just be ignored because he hasn't kicked a ball in his life before.

OK let's take direction from a bell-end and get rid of Lambert.

Managers have been sacked for a lot less than some of the crap Lambert's served up at Villa so far.

Ok Saturday was awful, but the other games this season we gave some top sides a really tough game - lets not assume we are back to the bad days of last winter just on the back of 1 poor display.
Win on Saturday and things will be looking much rosier.

I'm not calling for Lambert to be sacked I'm just saying that people shouldn't be surprised if other fans want him out. He's hardly been a rip roaring success since he arrived.

We can be surprised and we can disagree.

Of course.

[Navin R Johnson]

As a Villa fan the one thing you can be sure of is that if you attempt to make a balanced, objective and constructive criticsm of team peformance you will be branded a second rate fan and a fickle turncoat.

Good results which defy the form book always occur at the start of every season.   Now that our opponents are up to speed and match fit, results from now on will be much more representative of where we actually stand as a team.   The Newcastle game was a big test and we failed it.   The failings must be addressed and to pretend that they do not exist will only make them worse.

My own opinion is that the three sixth place finishes achieved by MON's teams was a very poor return on the boost the club should have got from the departure of Doug Ellis and the new broom and new money of a new owner.   Take those three sixth places out of the picture and we have been in steady decline for decades.   Label the truth as negativity at your peril.

[saunders_heroes]

As a Villa fan the one thing you can be sure of is that if you attempt to make a balanced, objective and constructive criticsm of team peformance you will be branded a second rate fan and a fickle turncoat.

Good results which defy the form book always occur at the start of every season.   Now that our opponents are up to speed and match fit, results from now on will be much more representative of where we actually stand as a team.   The Newcastle game was a big test and we failed it.   The failings must be addressed and to pretend that they do not exist will only make them worse.

My own opinion is that the three sixth place finishes achieved by MON's teams was a very poor return on the boost the club should have got from the departure of Doug Ellis and the new broom and new money of a new owner.   Take those three sixth places out of the picture and we have been in steady decline for decades.   Label the truth as negativity at your peril.

I don't know about us being in decline for "decades" but I think we've certainly been in decline since the year 2000. The O'Neill years seem to be a blip somewhat.

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Just so we're clear, only the matches where we play poorly count. Ignore the ones where we swat a top four side and we cheated out of at least a point at the Champions elect.