Aston Villa v Newcastle United Post-Match Thread

[PaulWinch again]

Two things Lambert must learn from yesterday are that we need to play through the midfield if we're going to produce chances at home, and we have to be much more patient with our build up play. Secondly we should never just sub midfielders for tall attackers and lump it up field, as it doesn't work.

[JUAN PABLO]

having slept on

and gave it a lot of thought

that was not good enough

Lambert you need to sort your home tactics etc , quick .  They are your players and you have had a season.

I know its going to take time and I expect ups and downs but that was atrocious yesterday and it happens too many times at home.

Fans , will not pay money every week for that tripe when players have not got a clue what to do and looked poor quality to me. Maybe the away games will save us this season .  But what a reality check was that .

[Clampy]

It was one of those games yesterday where before the sub was made, I couldn't decide who it was best to take off if anybody. I probably would have left it another 10 minutes and I might have plumped for Weimann, maybe pushed Benteke out wide a bit and played Kozak. I wouldn't have taken off a midfielder because for us it never works. That said, I think making the sub at the time we did brought about the goal because the delay made the Newcastle players switch off for the corner.

[eastie]

Sylla has to play next week in lieu of KEA who should be sold or go out on loan . Tonev and Bacuna on bench and on pitch at HT if things aren't working out.
I'd also consider Bennett ahead of Luna who looks shocking tbh.

I agree that luna looked awful yesterday but i remember Norwich ripped Bennett apart in both league games last season and would stick with luna at left back in that game .
Bennett would make a better wide left midfielder in my opinion.

[JUAN PABLO]

he dont drink Carlsberg , because Lambert cant do subs.   They rarely work

[eastie]

It was one of those games yesterday where before the sub was made, I couldn't decide who it was best to take off if anybody. I probably would have left it another 10 minutes and I might have plumped for Weimann, maybe pushed Benteke out wide a bit and played Kozak. I wouldn't have taken off a midfielder because for us it never works. That said, I think making the sub at the time we did brought about the goal because the delay made the Newcastle players switch off for the corner.

To be honest i thought he should have taken Weimann and kea off at half time and brought on tonev and sylla.

I remember mourinho once accepting he had got it badly wrong and making 3 changes after 20 minutes to change a game , lambert should have acted sooner and when he did he make the wrong subs.

[mrastonvilla]

I agree with most of what's being said here. Lambert has got to stop taking off a midfielder and replacing with a forward it just doesn't work when it leaves you with two in midfield and is pointless with 20-30 minutes left.

Bad day at the office yesterday but looking on the bright side we have 3 more points than the same fixtures last season, still a long way to go. It will be interesting to see how he gets the best out of the new players over the rest of the season.

[Clampy]

It was one of those games yesterday where before the sub was made, I couldn't decide who it was best to take off if anybody. I probably would have left it another 10 minutes and I might have plumped for Weimann, maybe pushed Benteke out wide a bit and played Kozak. I wouldn't have taken off a midfielder because for us it never works. That said, I think making the sub at the time we did brought about the goal because the delay made the Newcastle players switch off for the corner.

To be honest i thought he should have taken Weimann and kea off at half time and brought on tonev and sylla.

I remember mourinho once accepting he had got it badly wrong and making 3 changes after 20 minutes to change a game , lambert should have acted sooner and when he did he make the wrong subs.

The problem with doing that though would have meant all our three subs were used up and it would have been a bit of a risk.

[Chris Smith]

After a dreadful first half the way we picked it up after half time made me think we'd got away with it and might even sneak a win. Problem was the substitution seemed to totally disrupt us and instead of using the momentum of the goal to push on they got on top.

It's one game though and I'm not drawing any wider conclusions than we played badly yesterday.

[eastie]

I agree clampy, it would have been a risk but sometimes risks have to be taken - bringing tonev on with 3 minutes to go was pointless, and sylla should have been on at half time, if not earlier as it was clear our midfield was being outplayed .

I guess however , its easy to be wise after the event , if having levelled it we had gone on to win we would all probably be feeling fairly happy with life.

[JUAN PABLO]

I don't mind losing when I can see what Lambert is trying to do

but he did not have a clue yesterday from the first minute

[Clampy]

I said to someone a few weeks ago that I can see us losing games against teams we should be beating from time to time but we'll batter a few teams as well so it wouldn't surprise me if we put a few past Norwich next week.

[barrysleftfoot]

 Started off lacklustre, gave a goal away, did'nt start playing until the 40th minute, only played decently for about 20 mins , scored the equalizer, then gave another goal away.

 For me yday was a big worry.KEA, Westwood and Delph, at home is too negative.KEA was poor yday, but Westwood was even worse.He is the "free" midfielder if you like, but he lacks quality and pace to hurt the opposition.One or two good passes in a game is not good enough.Delph played really well by the way, but Sylla need to come in.

 Lowton, does'nt look fit to me, not chasing back 2nd half, not really getting foward, a shadow of himself last season.More of a wingback than a FB to me, should have marked the player better for the 2nd goal.

 Gabby and Weimann, no competition, no threat, no goals.Worrying.

 Positives, Benteke 5 in 5, Delph, only forward player who tried to be creative yday and the only Villa player who actually beat his player.Vlaar was solid, as was Okore before the injury.

 I think, unless they play with the urgency and commitment they did in the 1st 2 games, that we are in for a long hard season.

 I'd try and turn Bennett into a wide left sided midfielder as well.

[mrfuse]

Two things Lambert must learn from yesterday are that we need to play through the midfield if we're going to produce chances at home, and we have to be much more patient with our build up play. Secondly we should never just sub midfielders for tall attackers and lump it up field, as it doesn't work.

This is it in a nutshell.

 I was encouraged in some pre-season games and against Arsenal and Chelsea as we played some decent football at times, But yesterday I've no idea why we gave up on that.

I think Brads got to mix it up a bit as well, I don't want our  attack from the back to be basically Guzan hoofing it up to Benteke and feeding of the scraps.

KEA was way off the pace yesterday!
When he lost the ball he should have been busting a gut to get back, instead he cantered back and still had a chance to throw himself into cutting out the cross but watched it bypass him.

[silhillvilla]

The whole game Ben Arfa terrorised our left side and absolutely no tactical change to sort it. Extremely worrying stuff.