Aston Villa v Newcastle United Post-Match Thread

[PaulWinch again]

Sad to say but Weimann like Albrighton may have reached his peak already. Not just today but he's not showing any signs of being effective this season. Benteke needs help and I cant see what Lambert has in mind.

At the moment Weimann is nuisance value with his hard running but little else.

In fact he is a latter day Brian Greenhalgh.

Let's not get too carried away, he's out of form he just needs to be dropped.

[Monty]

I wish we had someone in midfield who could actually pick the ball up, lift his head and play a controlled,composed, accurate pass to a teammate, rather than our lot who want to play at 100 miles an hour, all the bloody time.

I still think we missed a trick not taking Barry back.

Barry might help calm things down a bit, but he is hardly the man to go and make things happen. With him in our midfield for years we still lacked the creative player.

[mr woo]

I'm also thinking we might have missed a trick bringing Barry back on loan. Without wanting to open that Pandoras box of a discussion.

We did indeed.

As one for the future - no, but as an upgrade on El Ahmadi................all day long.

[mrfuse]

I'm also thinking we might have missed a trick bringing Barry back on loan. Without wanting to open that Pandoras box of a discussion.

We did indeed.

As one for the future - no, but as an upgrade on El Ahmadi................all day long.

Its hard to see what wouldn't be an an upgrade on El Ahmadi to be honest!

[Toronto Villa]

I would hope after today one or two of the lads will be expecting a place on the bench in the coming weeks. It's all good and well having faith in certain players but if they are not doing it they'll need to accept change and disappointment.

[PaulWinch again]

It concerns me that Lambert is saying we lost due to a poor start, it's not just that it's the fact that our tactics at home aren't good enough.

[CJ]

Stuck in traffic on the M6 for an hour on the way there. Stuck in traffic on the M6 for an hour on the way back. Shit performance. Sloppy passing, no shape, no guile,  missed sitter - ffs their second came after we'd conceded possession of a fucking throw-in. Too pissed off to be rational. The worst I've felt getting home from a Villa game for years

[Legion]

Goals

[levico]

I didn't expect us to win today but anticipated a well fought draw. We looked like we might get that but, no. This is the Villa. At home. Depressingly familiar stuff.

Not sure how Lambert rationalised it. I heard his post match interview but didn't get a word.

Too early to tell but my gut says a long, hard season with one or two moments of excitement away from home and staying up because, hopefully, there are three teams worse than us.

But this is the current Villa isn't it? We're not a big wealthy club and we never will be under the current ownership. Just got to put up with it and rejoice in the rare moments of success, fleeting as they are.

[PeterWithesShin]

Paul Lambert bemoaned a slow start as Villa went down 2-1 at home to Newcastle.

Lambert was frustrated his team didn't show the usual drive and energy from the off against the Magpies.

Villa boss Lambert believes that was a fundamental reason for the loss, as well as the concession of two poor goals from his perspective.

He was happier with the second half display but is keen for his emerging team to score first in games, so they don't give themselves a mountain to climb each week.

He said: "It was frustrating, very much so.

"We never got going in the first half. It was unlike us. But we can't lose goals like the way we did.

"We started the second half really well. But the first half, we lost a really poor goal and the second I thought was even worse.

"They get back into it then. The impetus and ascendancy was with us. But you can't defend that way.

"We don't set them out to play that way. You have to give Newcastle credit for starting the game well. We are not a team who can play slow football. We don't have that knowhow yet to play that way.

"A big part of our game is our energy and tempo. We started slowly. In the second half, it was much more like us.

"It wasn't like us, especially in the first half. In the second half it was a lot better.

"You pick them up and go again on Monday now. We have Norwich on Saturday.

"I can't fault them for effort. They gave me everything they had to try and retrieve it. But the disappointing thing was the two goals.

"I am not one for making excuses. We got beat because we didn't start the game in the right manner.

"The frustrating thing in the games we've played is we have always conceded the first goal. We have had to come back from that. That's a lot to ask every time. It's a lot to do. It's disappointing to start in the manner we did.

"But I can't fault my team for effort. I'd like to get results and more points. But I can't fault them for the way they try to do the right things."

Lambert is also waiting on news of Jores Okore, after the defensive ace came off injured on the half hour mark.

He added: "I think he's hurt his knee. I will speak to the doctor and see what his opinion is and what he thinks."

[PaulWinch again]

I can fault the team for effort I thought Newcastle fought much harder than us.

[levico]

Sad to say but Weimann like Albrighton may have reached his peak already. Not just today but he's not showing any signs of being effective this season. Benteke needs help and I cant see what Lambert has in mind.

At the moment Weimann is nuisance value with his hard running but little else.

In fact he is a latter day Brian Greenhalgh.

Yes but no way he will score 13 goals in a season on this form.

[eastie]

I just don't get it with KEA. His better performances for the club have been below average.

In fairness hes looked fairly decent in the opening 3 games and would have been difficult to leave out but his display today surely means sylla must return next week, tonev needs to replace Weimann and Lowton , luna and Westwood all need to get their act together fast as today none of them were anywhere near good enough.

Lambert now has the options and he must use them to show players that if they don't perform they will lose their place .

Today leaves a very bitter taste- i was really shocked by how poor we played and as a home team we gave newcastle far too much respect and space .

We should have started on the front foot and took the game to them - it was bitterly disappointing.

[john2710]

Today was a reality check for us, but we should not have got carried away that we any better than we were last season & in truth if we keep doing the same thing, with the same players, we're going to get the same outcome.

The team is basically the same as the last half of last season.
Those who have been bought are, at best, sub-standard replacements for first teamers.
We are unable to keep a clean sheet.
We cannot or do not believe we can win at home. The team seem be apprehensive.
We have no movement, width or creativity.
Without Benteke's goals we would have been relegated last season.
The last 20 minutes today was as clueless as the second half against Bradford & that is unacceptable for a club like Aston Villa. There are no excuses, this is Lamberts team & Lamberts tactics.

That was an ordinary Newcastle team & our team, with the exception of Delph & Gabby, were just not at the races. The decision making today by the players & the manager was truly abysmal.

[eastie]

One attempt on target against a team like newcastle is really poor stuff, 26 league games without a clean sheet is quite frankly disgraceful and embarrassing - there can be no excuse for that!