Juan Pablo Addition

[Percy McCarthy]

Bloody hell Percy, are you now accusing me of somehow being a closet racist because I think that Gabby sometimes makes bad decisions on the football field?

In fact I don't know what you are on about at all to be honest.  I have obviously touched a nerve by having an opinion on Angel that differs from yours, quite why you have dragged up an old argument on Agbonlahor is beyond me, obviously you have been storing the "footballing brain" comment in your personal hard drive just to dredge it out on an occasion when I dare to disagree with you.

I have no problem with you disagreeing with anybody's opinion of Angel (or Gabby). What annoys me is you thinking that people who disagree with you are not basing their opinion on their merit as footballers, but on some abstract emotional concept.

I can see from your first sentence that were I to accuse you of the same, re: Gabby, it would annoy you too.

[Dave Cooper please]

Well if you accused me of being racist then yes, I would get very annoyed, but I don't see the relevance here.

I have an opinion that Angel got cut a lot of slack from the fans because he was seen as "our signing" because we did the whole £ sign thing etc. You don't.
 I also think Gabby got far less stick than he might have got during his rather barren spell than he might have had if he hadn't been a local lad done good. Again, you don't.
 
 Do you not think that some people might be swayed by such things? I know you aren't, you have made that very obvious, but I know for a fact that there are Villa fans who would love the likes of Grealish or Gardner to make it as Villa players because they are home grown, and if these players do get into the first team I will definitely forgive them a few bad games, certainly a few more than some bloke we might sign from Belgium (I remember Benteke getting pelters on the first couple of match threads after he signed).

[littlevillain]

love angel and his missus

[eamonn]

Liked him a lot when he played for us but changed my mind when he refused to shake my hand in a Liverpool hotel couple of years after he had gone.

He probably thought your were drunk, or obnoxious, or worse of all, a Scouser.

[Percy McCarthy]

Well if you accused me of being racist then yes, I would get very annoyed, but I don't see the relevance here.

I have an opinion that Angel got cut a lot of slack from the fans because he was seen as "our signing" because we did the whole £ sign thing etc. You don't.
 I also think Gabby got far less stick than he might have got during his rather barren spell than he might have had if he hadn't been a local lad done good. Again, you don't.
 
 Do you not think that some people might be swayed by such things? I know you aren't, you have made that very obvious, but I know for a fact that there are Villa fans who would love the likes of Grealish or Gardner to make it as Villa players because they are home grown, and if these players do get into the first team I will definitely forgive them a few bad games, certainly a few more than some bloke we might sign from Belgium (I remember Benteke getting pelters on the first couple of match threads after he signed).

I think it's probably best to take people's opinions at face value rather than undermining them by assuming they are swayed by other, rather silly, considerations.

See, I think it's pretty obvious that someone like Gabby, who is not blessed with great technical ability, wouldn't have become our record Premier League goal scorer without having used his considerable football brain to utilise what ability he does have efficiently. Then there are people who just assume black people are thick. But I can see that if I just make assumptions about posters based on these two things it could be rather insulting, so I just accept what you SAY you think about him and argue about that, rather than trivialising your opinion by implying it is based on some irrelevant shit that I've made up.

[Percy McCarthy]

Interesting that in the recent long interview with Dazzler, he thought JPA was his best strike partner at Villa Park and that they were split up too early.

Indeed. An effective partnership and part of the sixth-placed team that SGT took over and quickly turned into a shambles by dropping Angel, selling Boateng and picking that clown Enkelman. Even O'Clown got them back to sixth simply by replacing those two with McCann and Sorenson and picking Angel again.

[ktvillan]

I was rather indifferent to Angel - thought he looked brilliant at times (that double one-two goal with Baros against Everton under O'Leary) but he pissed me off with sloppy penalties and too many very average displays.  Never really thought of him as the fans signing.  I do think there is relevance to the fact he wasn't offered much support by the club.  In the same way Collymore's millions didn't make him immune to depression, neither would Angel's wedge have made him immune to home-sickness, missing his family, the  stress of relocating to a different continent, the pressure of being a record signing and the massive worry of a sick child/wife.   I don't think many would be on top of their game with all that going on.

[Percy McCarthy]

I was rather indifferent to Angel - thought he looked brilliant at times (that double one-two goal with Baros against Everton under O'Leary) but he pissed me off with sloppy penalties and too many very average displays.  Never really thought of him as the fans signing.  I do think there is relevance to the fact he wasn't offered much support by the club.  In the same way Collymore's millions didn't make him immune to depression, neither would Angel's wedge have made him immune to home-sickness, missing his family, the  stress of relocating to a different continent, the pressure of being a record signing and the massive worry of a sick child/wife.   I don't think many would be on top of their game with all that going on.

You can see that and you're not a self-important moron who supported him more than the club? My, my, we are confounding the stereotypes today.

[adrenachrome]

Interesting that in the recent long interview with Dazzler, he thought JPA was his best strike partner at Villa Park and that they were split up too early.

Indeed. An effective partnership and part of the sixth-placed team that SGT took over and quickly turned into a shambles by dropping Angel, selling Boateng and picking that clown Enkelman. Even O'Clown got them back to sixth simply by replacing those two with McCann and Sorenson and picking Angel again.

As Paul Merson lamented at the time in a tone of astonished despair: "You don't replace George Boeteng with Mark Kinsella!".

[pauliewalnuts]

Well if you accused me of being racist then yes, I would get very annoyed, but I don't see the relevance here.

I have an opinion that Angel got cut a lot of slack from the fans because he was seen as "our signing" because we did the whole £ sign thing etc. You don't.
 I also think Gabby got far less stick than he might have got during his rather barren spell than he might have had if he hadn't been a local lad done good. Again, you don't.
 
 Do you not think that some people might be swayed by such things? I know you aren't, you have made that very obvious, but I know for a fact that there are Villa fans who would love the likes of Grealish or Gardner to make it as Villa players because they are home grown, and if these players do get into the first team I will definitely forgive them a few bad games, certainly a few more than some bloke we might sign from Belgium (I remember Benteke getting pelters on the first couple of match threads after he signed).

I think it's probably best to take people's opinions at face value rather than undermining them by assuming they are swayed by other, rather silly, considerations.

Isn't suggesting that "some" people are swayed by this or that, whatever, a different thing entirely to "assuming" people are, though?

[not3bad]

Nice Juan, son, let's have another Juan.

[Percy McCarthy]

Well if you accused me of being racist then yes, I would get very annoyed, but I don't see the relevance here.

I have an opinion that Angel got cut a lot of slack from the fans because he was seen as "our signing" because we did the whole £ sign thing etc. You don't.
 I also think Gabby got far less stick than he might have got during his rather barren spell than he might have had if he hadn't been a local lad done good. Again, you don't.
 
 Do you not think that some people might be swayed by such things? I know you aren't, you have made that very obvious, but I know for a fact that there are Villa fans who would love the likes of Grealish or Gardner to make it as Villa players because they are home grown, and if these players do get into the first team I will definitely forgive them a few bad games, certainly a few more than some bloke we might sign from Belgium (I remember Benteke getting pelters on the first couple of match threads after he signed).

I think it's probably best to take people's opinions at face value rather than undermining them by assuming they are swayed by other, rather silly, considerations.

Isn't suggesting that "some" people are swayed by this or that, whatever, a different thing entirely to "assuming" people are, though?

Semantics. Okay then. I think it's probably best to take people's opinions at face value rather than undermining them by suggesting they are swayed by other, rather silly, considerations.

[adrenachrome]

Nice Juan, son, let's have another Juan.

Shurely there can only be one Juan?

[not3bad]

Nice Juan, son, let's have another Juan.

Shurely there can only be one Juan?

Ah, Sean Connery and his Shpanish Acshent...

[LeeB]

Another thing that annoyed me about Angel was that he choose his one good season to be at the same time Crouch had started to look like a proper player, and as soon as we sold him he reverted to type.