Juan Pablo Addition

[supertom]

Why didn't we stick with that formation of Angel flanked by Gabby and Moore? I seem to remember we were unbeaten with that formation until the middle of October. Sutton came in and Baros got the odd opportunity but we had a really poor run that winter, 06/07. I can't remember if we had ditched the three up front by then.

Luke Moore got injured and it kind of perpetuated the change. Luke was never the same for us after either, because he'd started pretty well. The front three of Gab, Angel and Moore was quite effective and we went unbeaten for a good stretch at the beginning of that season too IIRC.

[Percy McCarthy]

It's strange how it has become accepted wisdom that his comedy corner was against Spurs in his own goal game. It wasn't.

And this thing about people liking him because he was the 'fans' signing' is a load of bollocks too. Like it's successor myth - 'you only think Gabby is good because he's a Villa fan' it's quite an insult to people's intelligence too.

Does anyone still think that about people who rate Gabby BTW?

[SoccerHQ]

Really Percy? The pound signs protest against Spurs was in November 2000, we signed him 6 weeks later.

Remember he didn't score for his first 12 games or whatever it was, plenty of other players have copped more stick from the fans for less e.g. Crouch who I think scored on his debut.

[Percy McCarthy]

Really Percy? The pound signs protest against Spurs was in November 2000, we signed him 6 weeks later.

Remember he didn't score for his first 12 games or whatever it was, plenty of other players have copped more stick from the fans for less e.g. Crouch who I think scored on his debut.

Really. I liked him because he scored lots of good goals for us, I didn't give a shit that he was the fan's signing. So it stands to reason that I believe others liked him for the same reason.

Same as I don't care who Gabby supports, I just think he's a good player. I find it really annoying when people tell me I don't really think these things.

[Dave Cooper please]

It's strange how it has become accepted wisdom that his comedy corner was against Spurs in his own goal game. It wasn't.

And this thing about people liking him because he was the 'fans' signing' is a load of bollocks too. Like it's successor myth - 'you only think Gabby is good because he's a Villa fan' it's quite an insult to people's intelligence too.

Does anyone still think that about people who rate Gabby BTW?

I think you are wrong here Percy.
I have no doubt that Angel got cut more slack than many other players simply because he was seen as "Our player" the one we forced Doug to buy with the £sign protests and the "Buy or go" poster stuff. The fans have certainly turned on strikers far quicker in recent times than they did on Angel, Milosevic and Crouch for instance got far less time to start performing.

Gabby almost certainly got less vitriol from the fans when he was going through his bad spell because he is a local lad come good as well.

[Percy McCarthy]

It's strange how it has become accepted wisdom that his comedy corner was against Spurs in his own goal game. It wasn't.

And this thing about people liking him because he was the 'fans' signing' is a load of bollocks too. Like it's successor myth - 'you only think Gabby is good because he's a Villa fan' it's quite an insult to people's intelligence too.

Does anyone still think that about people who rate Gabby BTW?

I think you are wrong here Percy.
I have no doubt that Angel got cut more slack than many other players simply because he was seen as "Our player" the one we forced Doug to buy with the £sign protests and the "Buy or go" poster stuff. The fans have certainly turned on strikers far quicker in recent times than they did on Angel, Milosevic and Crouch for instance got far less time to start performing.

Gabby almost certainly got less vitriol from the fans when he was going through his bad spell because he is a local lad come good as well.

Thanks for telling us what we think Dave. If I pm you my password could you post my views all the time? It would make my life much easier.

[Dave Cooper please]

What?
They are pretty obviously my views.
The phrases "I think" and "I have no doubt" should tell you that I am voicing my own opinions on this subject.
Disagree if you want but don't come over all annoyed just because I happen to hold a different opinion to you.

[PeterWithesShin]

Wind it in please Percy, no one said it is why you rate JPA or Gabby, but quite possibly why some people do.

[Percy McCarthy]

What?
They are pretty obviously my views.
The phrases "I think" and "I have no doubt" should tell you that I am voicing my own opinions on this subject.
Disagree if you want but don't come over all annoyed just because I happen to hold a different opinion to you.

Okay, so you're not speaking for me, just everybody else.

[Dave Cooper please]

What?
They are pretty obviously my views.
The phrases "I think" and "I have no doubt" should tell you that I am voicing my own opinions on this subject.
Disagree if you want but don't come over all annoyed just because I happen to hold a different opinion to you.

Okay, so you're not speaking for me, just everybody else.

No, I'm speaking for me. Everyone else is just as entitled as you are to disagree with me.

[ajclayton]

He scored in his 7th or 8th game, which just so happened to help send Coventry down. He then got 20 goals for the season in his first full season didn't he?  That goal against Bolton was great as well, even if he didn't mean it. Got a bit slow and past it towards the end, but overall he was a good player for us.

[olaftab]

Liked him a lot when he played for us but changed my mind when he refused to shake my hand in a Liverpool hotel couple of years after he had gone.

[Percy McCarthy]

What?
They are pretty obviously my views.
The phrases "I think" and "I have no doubt" should tell you that I am voicing my own opinions on this subject.
Disagree if you want but don't come over all annoyed just because I happen to hold a different opinion to you.

Okay, so you're not speaking for me, just everybody else.

No, I'm speaking for me. Everyone else is just as entitled as you are to disagree with me.

I disagree that you are speaking for you. You are saying you 'have no doubt' that you know what other people are really thinking, even when they don't say that themselves.

How would you like it if, when you used to criticise Gabby for 'not having a footballing brain', I said 'I have no doubt that the reason people really don't like Gabby (and a lot don't) is because he's black? Would you accept that's just my opinion, and not me making unfair assumptions about others' opinions?

[Dave Cooper please]

Bloody hell Percy, are you now accusing me of somehow being a closet racist because I think that Gabby sometimes makes bad decisions on the football field?

In fact I don't know what you are on about at all to be honest.  I have obviously touched a nerve by having an opinion on Angel that differs from yours, quite why you have dragged up an old argument on Agbonlahor is beyond me, obviously you have been storing the "footballing brain" comment in your personal hard drive just to dredge it out on an occasion when I dare to disagree with you.

[pauliewalnuts]

It's strange how it has become accepted wisdom that his comedy corner was against Spurs in his own goal game. It wasn't.

And this thing about people liking him because he was the 'fans' signing' is a load of bollocks too. Like it's successor myth - 'you only think Gabby is good because he's a Villa fan' it's quite an insult to people's intelligence too.

Does anyone still think that about people who rate Gabby BTW?

The flaw in the "he was the fans' signing" argument is the concept that, really, Doug would ever have been "forced" into making such a big signing by the fans. He never did anything he didn't want to do himself, or at a time he didn't choose himself, ever (including selling the club).

I find it hard to believe he'd have really been influenced that much into spending money. He was a stubborn fucker who only ever did things he wanted.

That Gabby / Villa fan thing, though, I do think it is true that a lot of people cut him more slack because he's a Villa fan. It's understandable, in a way, but I don't see how anyone can not think it happens to a certain degree, it's that obvious.

Same when people say "he's been really loyal" - they associate him being him a Villa fan and here a long time with meaning loyalty. Loyalty only really means something when it is tested, otherwise it is an empty concept.