Jores Okore

[PaulWinch again]

I think it's a clear as day that our defence isn't up to it and should have had major changes, no clean sheets in 26 league games is a pretty good indicator. I know that's not solely down to the defence, but it's a major part of it. That £7 million should have been used either on the defence or an attacking midfielder, ideally we should have paid out for both.

[JUAN PABLO]

we still need 3/4 players . He should have bought another CB , another midfielder like Barry on loan and a play maker . not a striker

[bobdylan]

Is Baker still injured as well?  If not I'd have expected him on the bench on Sat ahead of Clark as as had seemed to have moved above him in the pecking order for centre half, he's also a better left back than him too.

[Tuscans]

Have we changed our style of play this season? I've watched the first 3 games online and went to the Newcastle game and I haven't seen us hoof it to Benteke so much. So is that under Lamberts orders for the defense to get rid quick so they don't cock up with it and get closed down like last season and cost us some really soft goals.

Okore looks a good player I think although before the injury he looked shaky. It's Vlaar and both full backs I worry about. Lowton was dreadful against Newcastle, probably Liverpool too. He is so slow and a bit of a wuss when it comes to putting in a tackle. Luna seems scared to get stuck in as well....backs off til the player gets into the box for a shot.

Ok the midfield needs to fill in gaps, Fabian does and tries his best to set up an attack...but I still don't see what Westwood offers? Backwards and side passes, doesn't tackle and doesn't score....poor mans Joe Allan?

So far we have the second worse defense and the worst form after 4 games. I have to admit my optimism has dropped but it is a marathon afterwards....

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The style of play certainly changed for the Newcastle game.

We may have lost to Liverpool and Chelsea, but at least in the former case, we dominated for 55 minutes and faced a well organised defence and in the later we were cheated.

Saturday was incredibly poor, with half the side way below par, with too many long balls, not enough width and no pentetration from the midfield.

We need to change shape and bring in the likes of Tonev at home to do something a bit different with the ball.

[martyn ellis]

News here. No real news, seems like speculation, but worrying all the same.

http://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/jores-okore-knee-scan-amid-6028516

[PaulWinch again]

Okore looks like a top player, but this potential injury highlights where we may have gone wrong this summer(I stress may as I'm not judging our other signings yet). He is the only one of our signings who's obviously better than what we already had. The other signings might add competition and develop in time, but we needed players to immediately improve the first 11. That coupled with the fact that we haven't added what we desperately needed, another defender and a creative midfielder, means we're potentially in some trouble.

[Villafirst]

I'm no medical expert, but Okore seemed to be clutching the outside of his knee which would suggest a medial collateral ligament problem; the cruciate ligaments (Posterior and Anterior) are in the centre of the knee. Although bad, just hope it's the medial ligament!

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If he'd have done his cruciate, would have been able to walk up the half-way line and back on at a light jog before walking off? I remember when Davies did it at Arsenal and he was in agony and was carried off.

I know the guy is a beast, but he's not a painless bond villain.

[mrastonvilla]

I'm no medical expert, but Okore seemed to be clutching the outside of his knee which would suggest a medial collateral ligament problem; the cruciate ligaments (Posterior and Anterior) are in the centre of the knee. Although bad, just hope it's the medial ligament!

I don't think you get any pain from the ligament damage itself. The pain from a ligament injury is more likely to be from swelling or damage to the associated muscles caused by the over extension of the joint. Lets hope the injury is a muscular strain rather than ligament damage which is far harder to deal with.

[JUAN PABLO]

he did go back on for about two minutes


just cross our fingers I think

[Villafirst]

If he'd have done his cruciate, would have been able to walk up the half-way line and back on at a light jog before walking off? I remember when Davies did it at Arsenal and he was in agony and was carried off.

I know the guy is a beast, but he's not a painless bond villain.

I thought Davies did his Achilles at ARsenal?

[mrastonvilla]

Hope for the best. Some players go down in pain others can carry on playing for a while before they feel somethings not right. Lets hope he's OK 6-9 months out would be a nightmare for a young developing player.

[OCD]

If he'd have done his cruciate, would have been able to walk up the half-way line and back on at a light jog before walking off? I remember when Davies did it at Arsenal and he was in agony and was carried off.

I know the guy is a beast, but he's not a painless bond villain.

I thought Davies did his Achilles at ARsenal?

He did. The tendon tore. When that happens, it sounds like a gun going off and all the players around him would have known.

As he felt well enough to come back onto the pitch, he's probably just strained the ligaments which would probably mean a couple of weeks out.

[andyh]

been posted over on VT

'He has ruptured his ACL, as well as some other damage to the knee. Still too swollen to operate on but he is not expected to play again this season. Massive blow for us'

Obviously not verified.