Aston Villa v Liverpool Post-Match Thread

[villan from luton]

Sylla looked a decent player to me, albeit in a more forward midfield role. Not a Bannan fan, but he werent that bad but for the pass in first half. Lets not do scapegoat thing

[NiiLamptey]

Not as bad as the mood suggests... Think we have become pessimistic as supporters.

I lived in northwest for years and have lots of scouser mates...

They felt lucky to have kept the league and where worried when we did attack, have also had texts saying your a lot better than the media make out... Can't see you going down.

It was a little flat the last 15 mins but we had a goal disallowed (correctly) and Weiman missed a sitter.

If it wasn't for how the other results went and the table sure we would all be more positive.

I've seen enough over the last 5 or 6 games to be confident we are not going down!

[saunders_heroes]

Truly awful second half, as bad as anything we've served up this season. Lambert's half time team talks are the stuff of nightmares.
So many poor players in our squad. To think we've gone from Champions League contenders to relegation fodder in such a short time beggars belief. Lerner should be ashamed of himself. Our defence is so bad it's unreal. It's just bizzare that we didnt strengthen in January.

[OzVilla]

Just seen the Baker challenge...what an absolute cock of the highest order! What on earth was he thinking making a challenge like that for?!

I've just seen it too, WTF!!  He's a fecking walking liability him and Clark.  McGrath only knows how many goals we've conceded this season down to those two.  IF we go down this season that'll be your reason right there.

I was just starting the breathe a little easier about relegation too, then we see our dumbass defending return.

Hard to build a team around two strikers and a goalkeeper as really that's all we've got.  I still think Stoke and sunderland are worse than us though so we've just got to prove that when we play them both, nailed on 6 pointers. 

[saunders_heroes]

Absolutely dreadful today.  We've got enough up front, but the rest of the team is embarrassingly poor:

Guzan - class, again stopped it being 5 or 6.
Lowton - not Premier League class, always out of position
Baker - looks like what he is, a youth team player who isn't good enough
Vlaar - absolutely dreadful, what on earth did Lambert see in this clown
Bennett - not a left back in a million years, quite good going forward though
Westwood - not Premier League class
Bannan - worst player on the pitch by a country mile
Sylla - solid, unspectacular
Gabby - good touch for the goal, still mostly brainless though
Weimann - should have scored, not one of his better days
Benteke - deserves better than this, and will probably move on as soon as he can, and who would blame him.

Shambolic, again.  Beating the two bottom teams isn't going to be enough.

Agree 100%.

[eastie]

Truly awful second half, as bad as anything we've served up this season. Lambert's half time team talks are the stuff of nightmares.
So many poor players in our squad. To think we've gone from Champions League contenders to relegation fodder in such a short time beggars belief. Lerner should be ashamed of himself. Our defence is so bad it's unreal. It's just bizzare that we didnt strengthen in January.

Wasnt as bad as Chelsea or Wigan or spurs - we were poor 2nd half but still could have had 2 goals - in those games we never looked like creating fuck all.

The failure to sign a defender even it it had been a loan deal in January is quite staggering.

[saunders_heroes]

Truly awful second half, as bad as anything we've served up this season. Lambert's half time team talks are the stuff of nightmares.
So many poor players in our squad. To think we've gone from Champions League contenders to relegation fodder in such a short time beggars belief. Lerner should be ashamed of himself. Our defence is so bad it's unreal. It's just bizzare that we didnt strengthen in January.

Wasnt as bad as Chelsea or Wigan or spurs - we were poor 2nd half but still could have had 2 goals - in those games we never looked like creating fuck all.

The failure to sign a defender even it it had been a loan deal in January is quite staggering.

And could have conceded a lot more as well.
We were quite dreadful second half. Considering where we are in the league you'd have thought we'd have shown a bit of fight, but no we were more than happy just to play possession football in our own half playing tippy tappy football amongst the back 4. Liverpool didnt know their luck! They were quite happy to let us keep possession in our own half knowing full well we wouldn't dare cross the half way line. It was just awful!
I've said it before more than once, this is the worst Villa team I've ever seen. Even worse than the last time we were relegated.

[Matt Collins]

Truly awful second half, as bad as anything we've served up this season. Lambert's half time team talks are the stuff of nightmares.
So many poor players in our squad. To think we've gone from Champions League contenders to relegation fodder in such a short time beggars belief. Lerner should be ashamed of himself. Our defence is so bad it's unreal. It's just bizzare that we didnt strengthen in January.

Aargh. I just wrote quite a detailed response to this and then wiped it. I'm not doing that again. But in summary Saunders heroes, I disagree. I think we're improving and the performance was much better than you suggest. First half the sort of performance oneill never got out of us. We actually passed the ball properly.

We could still go down. But play like that ad I think we will be ok. We can get 4-6 points from the next two games.

I agree bakers challenge was idiotic though.

[eastie]

The thing i find depressing is our record against so called top teams - in 42 home games against man utd , arsenal and Liverpool  over the last 15 years we have won just 1 game - embarrassing and shocking.

I watched the way saints beat man city, Chelsea and Liverpool at home recently and how I wish we would have that sort of approach - we give teams far too much respect.

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Weiman's tap in that went over and Benteke's header that was brilliantly cleared off the line was what did it for us.

It was very frustrating and both sides missed gilt edged chances. But the only thing that seperated us was that tackle. In a million years I will never understand what he was doing.

While the front three missed chances it was pleasing to see them do it against a top 8 side; gives me confirmation that in the six pointers against Stoke and Sunderland, we will have too much for them up top, while their own defficiencies up top should make our biggest weakness not stand out.

I think Fulham is another good fixture and Norwich will be winnable and potentially very interesting.

[Matt Collins]

Which teams sorry? We've beaten Chelsea, Liverpool and city in the last few years at villa park. I agree we have a hoodoo against Man U and arsenal and increasingly spurs too

Ad just to repeat, the singling out of bannan is way over the top. I'd still have played delph. But he made one really stupid error and otherwise passed the ball well. Weimann was worse for example but he's due to be scapegoat of the month just after he (hopefully) signs a new contract I imagine

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Most teams have a hoodoo against Man United.

[eastie]

Which teams sorry? We've beaten Chelsea, Liverpool and city in the last few years at villa park. I agree we have a hoodoo against Man U and arsenal and increasingly spurs too

Ad just to repeat, the singling out of bannan is way over the top. I'd still have played delph. But he made one really stupid error and otherwise passed the ball well. Weimann was worse for example but he's due to be scapegoat of the month just after he (hopefully) signs a new contract I imagine

Man utd , arsenal and Liverpool = 1 home win in 42 games over the last 14 years .

Regarding bannan - a player totally out of his depth at this level ., get rid!

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How many titles have Man United and Liverpool won in that time? Weigh up those loses to the above average number of beatings we have handed to Chelsea.

We should win more, but given the gulf in class that has always been there and is even larger now, its no real surprise.

[Matt Collins]

Yes that is terrible. But surely also puts yesterday's performance in context? We've not beaten those sides at home when we were a top six side, do to describe yday as evidence of the worst villa side ever seen seems unjustified

We have racked up a few wins away from homes against those sides too