Bannan and Ireland

[paul_e]

One of them might get another shot at the weekend. Both were given more than enough chances though and don't see anything in them to suggest they will turn around their form like Delph has.

But loads of people saw nothing in Delph to suggest he could turn it around prior to this run of games.

Ireland I agree we should get rid of, he offers very little and is earning far too much money to justify it.

Bannan, much like Delph, needs a run in a position that 'fits' (a large part of the turn around for delph is that he's not being asked to be a defensive anchorman like he has been in the past.  That bit of freedom to chase things down and be 'all action' is, along with some genuine match sharpness, the key.  Let Bannan play a little further forward with instructions to press high up the pitch rather than sit deeper defensively would help him greatly.

[Clampy]

The problem with Bannan is he tries to do to much. Instead of dropping back to pick up the ball, he should stay a bit further forward and just play his own game. I think he's a really good footballer personally and i hope he's back on the bench at least tomorrow.

[peter w]

I'm sure there's something in Bannan. he played well when we won at Sunderland and for a few ganmes thereafter he and Westwood looked like a good combination. he's stopped playing well - as has Westwood really - and so you can't have completely anonymous players in midfield. Which is why we're struggling. Amongst many other reasons.

[Clampy]

One of them might get another shot at the weekend. Both were given more than enough chances though and don't see anything in them to suggest they will turn around their form like Delph has.

Bannan, much like Delph, needs a run in a position that 'fits' (a large part of the turn around for delph is that he's not being asked to be a defensive anchorman like he has been in the past.  That bit of freedom to chase things down and be 'all action' is, along with some genuine match sharpness, the key.  Let Bannan play a little further forward with instructions to press high up the pitch rather than sit deeper defensively would help him greatly.

Totally agree with this.

[tomd2103]

One of them might get another shot at the weekend. Both were given more than enough chances though and don't see anything in them to suggest they will turn around their form like Delph has.

Can't see it myself.  I think El Ahmadi will start with Sylla on the bench. 

[JUAN PABLO]

Would either of them get into a top ten side?

In my view, no.

Change that to Prem

[achilles]

Ireland is a bald c***.

Potentially the best player at the club, but is a modern day stereotypical footballer. A twat.

Quite, probably has the most talent at the club but equally the worse attitude at the club!

[Rudy Can't Fail]

The problem with Bannan is he tries to do to much. Instead of dropping back to pick up the ball, he should stay a bit further forward and just play his own game.

Agree in part with that, Clampy, especially the tries to do too much. What Bannan needs is a bit more discipline and that must come from Lambert. Look at the Plastics, Ferguson signed extremely talented players (Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson etc) but he restricts their natural creativity by making them more disciplined which works better for the team. I often scream out at Bannan in Match threads for being a tart, as he's too obsessed with impressing rather than getting the basics right. If he can restrict himself to playing a more functional role, his confidence will grow with consistent performances.

The sooner somebody tells him he ain't Sid Cowans, the better.

[Clampy]

The problem with Bannan is he tries to do to much. Instead of dropping back to pick up the ball, he should stay a bit further forward and just play his own game.

Agree in part with that, Clampy, especially the tries to do too much. What Bannan needs is a bit more discipline and that must come from Lambert. Look at the Plastics, Ferguson signed extremely talented players (Ronaldo, Nani, Anderson etc) but he restricts their natural creativity by making them more disciplined which works better for the team. I often scream out at Bannan in Match threads for being a tart, as he's too obsessed with impressing rather than getting the basics right. If he can restrict himself to playing a more functional role, his confidence will grow with consistent performances.

The sooner somebody tells him he ain't Sid Cowans, the better.

I would'nt disagree too much with that although strangely enough, what you've written could also apply to N'Zogbia.

[eastie]

The problem in this squad is that there are too many under performers who do not consistently deliver - the likes of Ireland, holman, el ahmedi, bannan, nzogbia( better recently) , and gabby come into this bracket.

We can afford the odd off day but too many very rarely have an on day and we cannot afford that.

[Rigadon]

The problem in this squad is that there are too many under performers who do not consistently deliver - the likes of Ireland, holman, el ahmedi, bannan, nzogbia( better recently) , and gabby come into this bracket.

We can afford the odd off day but too many very rarely have an on day and we cannot afford that.

Sorry, Eastie, but Gabby is not in that company.  He might not be the 20 goal a season striker we might've wanted a few years ago, but he's more of a threat than any of those others names. 

[Matt C]

When you watched Bannan in the reserves he was the lynchpin of that side and evertything seemed to go through him; he seems to have struggled to adapt to not necessarily being that figure in the first team though and taking on a more disciplined role. Like many of our younger players, a more sustained stint away on loan might have helped but we didnt have that luxury.

He's got talent but I'm starting to wonder whether we'll ever see the best of it at Villa.

[SoccerHQ]

I'm sure there's something in Bannan. he played well when we won at Sunderland and for a few ganmes thereafter he and Westwood looked like a good combination. he's stopped playing well - as has Westwood really - and so you can't have completely anonymous players in midfield. Which is why we're struggling. Amongst many other reasons.

What summed up Bannan this season was being MOTM against Arsenal and then 3 days later being arguably our worst player against Reading.

[Surrey Villain]

The problem in this squad is that there are too many under performers who do not consistently deliver - the likes of Ireland, holman, el ahmedi, bannan, nzogbia( better recently) , and gabby come into this bracket.

We can afford the odd off day but too many very rarely have an on day and we cannot afford that.

Sorry, Eastie, but Gabby is not in that company.  He might not be the 20 goal a season striker we might've wanted a few years ago, but he's more of a threat than any of those others names. 

Agreed but he is also a threat to our Premier League safety. He promises much but delivers little.

[Louzie0]

Personally would not link Bannan and Ireland.

Bannan - gives his all
Ireland - doesn't