It's that time of year again!

[Ad@m]

I've just checked the details and the Premier League broadcast payments (effectively the combined TV money and final position award for the Premier League) dropped from £49.1m in 2010/11 to £42.1m for 2011/12.  There's £7m of the £11.6m fall in revenue.

[bertlambshank]

Do these accounts include any Genting money?

[Ad@m]

Do these accounts include any Genting money?

They should do, yes, as the Genting deal started with the 2011/12 season.

It's a fair point as I'm sure when that was announced there were rumours it was our largest ever sponsorship deal by some way.  I think £8m a season was bandied about?

[danlanza]

Risso is going to say something kind about him...I can just sense it!

WRONG

[Villadroid]

The fall in income is troubling because it cannot be accounted for by a drop in attendances alone.

It seems that the substantial increase in the size of the commercial department is not now earning its corn.

Judging by the number of suits which attended the meeting where fans demanded blackboards for noughts and crosses and more Twix bars in the vending machines, Villa is encumbered with an ever-increasing number of managers, which can't be good.

Especially as the trend these days for financial bods to claim they have done a bonus-worthy job even when they have made a loss.

Did I read somewhere that Villa now employ 500 people or did I imagine it?

The main driver for most football club income figures is the TV and prize money which are obviously very strongly linked to on-pitch performance.

Effectively in these accounts we'll be comparing 2010/11 with 2011/12 seasons.  In 2010/11 we finished 9th and reached the 5th round of both the FA and League Cups. 

In 2011/12 we finished 16th (so got a much lower league placing award - I think it's roughly £700k per position which accounts for £5m straight away), only made the 4th round of the FA Cup and the 3rd round of the League Cup so there would be lower prize money and lower TV revenue.

The leaked info said that attendances fell by roughly 3,500 per game.  Over 19 home matches that's 66,500 fewer tickets sold.  At a fairly conservative £20 a ticket that's almost £1.5m in lost revenue.  The shorter cup runs also meant we had an extra home cup game in 2010/11 which would've been at least half a million lost in ticket sales.

As for the staff numbers - that probably sounds right if it includes matchday stewards.  There certainly won't be that many fulltime staff.

Yeah, TV money and rewards for finishing-position; that sounds about right.

I would like to know how much value Lerner's commercial department add to the business.

Can anyone quote the commercial earnings so I can put my hobby-horse back in the stable?

[bertlambshank]

Do these accounts include any Genting money?

They should do, yes, as the Genting deal started with the 2011/12 season.

It's a fair point as I'm sure when that was announced there were rumours it was our largest ever sponsorship deal by some way.  I think £8m a season was bandied about?

Thanks Ad@m.

[olaftab]

@thegoalzone: Villa a/cs also reveal attendance down from 37,220 to 33,873

I guess that equates to about £2million.

[Gareth]

So the £107m is the loans owed to the Lerner Trust??? Was it £70m that he paid Doug??? So that would be the thick end of £200m if anyone wanted to buy it off him???

Think Randy night be around for a while

[Ad@m]

So the £107m is the loans owed to the Lerner Trust??? Was it £70m that he paid Doug??? So that would be the thick end of £200m if anyone wanted to buy it off him???

Think Randy night be around for a while

From memory he's also got £100m of equity in the club so he's actually spent almost £300m on the Villa.  There's no way the club's worth that now.

[silhillvilla]

The club is worth what someone is willing to pay for it so I don't think you can rule out any figure. When it is sold, it will be to some foreign billionaire who wants a piece of the action and footballing history so don't rule anything out.

[Ad@m]

The club is worth what someone is willing to pay for it so I don't think you can rule out any figure. When it is sold, it will be to some foreign billionaire who wants a piece of the action and footballing history so don't rule anything out.

Keep dreaming that a gazillionaire is about to pony up £300m for us whilst knowing he'd have to spend at least that to get us anywhere near winning anything.

Back in the real world if Randy paid £60m for a club battling relegation with no debt I can't see anyone paying that for a club battling relegation with £100m of debt.

[Yossarian]

The club is worth what someone is willing to pay for it so I don't think you can rule out any figure. When it is sold, it will be to some foreign billionaire who wants a piece of the action and footballing history so don't rule anything out.

Keep dreaming that a gazillionaire is about to pony up £300m for us whilst knowing he'd have to spend at least that to get us anywhere near winning anything.

Back in the real world if Randy paid £60m for a club battling relegation with no debt I can't see anyone paying that for a club battling relegation with £100m of debt.

I'll pay it. I'll buy the club. I'll pay the £60m. Someone lend me a tenner.

[Risso]

So the £107m is the loans owed to the Lerner Trust??? Was it £70m that he paid Doug??? So that would be the thick end of £200m if anyone wanted to buy it off him???

Think Randy night be around for a while

From memory he's also got £100m of equity in the club so he's actually spent almost £300m on the Villa.  There's no way the club's worth that now.

Per the 2011 accounts it was just over £200m spent in loans and equity, including the original purchase price.

[silhillvilla]

Where is Nicholas Padfield QC.

[Greg N'Ash]

So.......have they actually released them yet? I'm dying to know how you can sell most of the higher earners, flog 27 million pounds worth of players, waive 20m pound interest payments and still make a massive loss.