Streaming Abdabs

[eastie]

I agree  but sadly though dave , money seems to be the main incentive  - clubs will go to the wall, its like the supermarkets killing the smaller shops - the rich will get richer and those who cant survive will go out of business.

But why make it easier for the 'Supermarket clubs' to force the 'local shop clubs' out of business? We should be trying to even things up a little not widening the gap further surely?

And do you think this will be good for the likes of Villa? The big clubs will negotiate deals far in excess of anything we will manage, further adding to the gap between ourselves and Man Utd and Chelsea.

Quite right. There needs to be as level playing field as possible. The gap's already wide enough as it is.

If only life were that simple.
Unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world , we live in a world dominated by greed and money.

[dave.woodhall]

I agree  but sadly though dave , money seems to be the main incentive  - clubs will go to the wall, its like the supermarkets killing the smaller shops - the rich will get richer and those who cant survive will go out of business.

But why make it easier for the 'Supermarket clubs' to force the 'local shop clubs' out of business? We should be trying to even things up a little not widening the gap further surely?

And do you think this will be good for the likes of Villa? The big clubs will negotiate deals far in excess of anything we will manage, further adding to the gap between ourselves and Man Utd and Chelsea.

Quite right. There needs to be as level playing field as possible. The gap's already wide enough as it is.

If only life were that simple.
Unfortunately we do not live in an ideal world , we live in a world dominated by greed and money.

So let's not make it any worse.

[fredm]

Unfortunately we were part of the greed and money brigade when the PRemier League was formed.

[junxs]

I don't agree with this "supermarket" clubs killing off "cornershop" clubs argumnet.
Youre either a fan of lower league or youre not.

If I was a regular at Sutton Coldfield Towns games, I don't see why I would tune in to Stoke v WBA on a Saturday afternoon at 3pm rather than cross the road to watch my local non league team play if that was the norm for me.

Like others have said you can go to a pub NOW on a saturday afternoon at 3pm to watch a live premier league game if you want to. People go to supermarkets because they get better value for money on the same product, fans of football go to support their teams, not to watch a game of football no matter who is playing ( especially if their supported team is playing at the same time).

Its like saying Villa fans wouldnt go to watch the game if Manure v Chelski was on telly at the same time.

[dave.woodhall]

I don't agree with this "supermarket" clubs killing off "cornershop" clubs argumnet.
Youre either a fan of lower league or youre not.

If I was a regular at Sutton Coldfield Towns games, I don't see why I would tune in to Stoke v WBA on a Saturday afternoon at 3pm rather than cross the road to watch my local non league team play if that was the norm for me.

Like others have said you can go to a pub NOW on a saturday afternoon at 3pm to watch a live premier league game if you want to. People go to supermarkets because they get better value for money on the same product, fans of football go to support their teams, not to watch a game of football no matter who is playing ( especially if their supported team is playing at the same time).

Its like saying Villa fans wouldnt go to watch the game if Manure v Chelski was on telly at the same time.

It's nothing like saying supporters of one team wouldn't attend if a game from their own league was on TV. There are many people who attend non-league games either because their own team are away or not playing. Make it easier for them to watch these games, and they would be less inclined to attend non-league ones. 

"fans of football go to support their teams, not to watch a game of football no matter who is playing" You mean like a lot of us on here do, regularly?

[Dave Cooper please]

fans of football go to support their teams, not to watch a game of football no matter who is playing ( especially if their supported team is playing at the same time).

So I, and many like me, don't actually exist then?

[Steve R]

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Its like saying Villa fans wouldnt go to watch the game if Manure v Chelski was on telly at the same time.

There are probably any number of people who would be active Villa fans but instead have grown up supporting their local team - the one that appears in the corner of their living room almost every week.

[junxs]

"fans of football go to support their teams, not to watch a game of football no matter who is playing" You mean like a lot of us on here do, regularly?

You and others go and pay to watch teams you have no emotional attachment to on a regular basis?
Fair play to you if you do, I couldn't do.

[junxs]

fans of football go to support their teams, not to watch a game of football no matter who is playing ( especially if their supported team is playing at the same time).

So I, and many like me, don't actually exist then?

..and you go and pay to watch other teams while Villa are playing?

[mr-villa]

As you - quite rightly - can't show Saturday 3pm kick-offs live, the idea's a non-starter anyway.

For now maybe , but sometime in the future i wouldnt rule it out .
It is not difficult to find villa live at 3 pm on saturdays on an internet stream.

The day that happens every non-league club may as well pack up.

Well maybe the non league clubs could go the same route as college football in the US.  Over there the college game is played and televised (to a massive audience) on Saturdays with the pro game being played on Sundays.  No reason why that couldn't happen over here Dave.

[mr-villa]

Can't help but feel that anybody complaining about Skys subscription charges is missing the point, and failing to see the bigger picture.

TV broadcasters are subject to the same practices as any business, including the world's oldest market force, supply and demand. That is, if a lot of people want something - it's expensive. You could, therefore, be pointing the finger of blame equally at greedy players, leeching agents, covetous clubs or the piggish Premier league.

Or...you could just begrudgingly accept the sour and unpleasant face of capitalism in all its glory.

For what it's worth, I believe there will be a point when somebody realises empty stadiums don't look so great on TV and ticket prices will eventually come into line. After all, it's been often said, the gate receipts are merely the icing on the cake in a premier league clubs quota.

Actually you're missing the point more.

There is a demand and the premier league are failing to supply to that demand so consumers are using free sites of dubious legality ( I refuse to call them entirely illegal due to the fact that many people question the legality of the existing copyright laws anyway) to consume content that they have no option to pay for.

For example, I live in Norway so I can't go to the games at the ground, the local TV stations have good coverage but with Norwegian commentary that I can't follow.  I can't get english commentary via the radio on the internet due to restrictions so the only way I have to watch live football with english commentary requires me to use a dubious stream.  I'd happily pay a monthly fee to be able to log on to a website and view the games.

Even more ridiculous is that, if you can't get on iplayer, even viewing the highlights a week or 2 later is very difficult because everything gets locked down.

Compare with the rugby.

I do understand that it will have an effect on attendances at the ground, particularly for smaller sides, but in that case those clubs need to investigate ways to reduce that impact.

Paul_e I was under the impression that Talksport offer commentary of every premier league game to online listeners in Europe?

[eastie]

As you - quite rightly - can't show Saturday 3pm kick-offs live, the idea's a non-starter anyway.

For now maybe , but sometime in the future i wouldnt rule it out .
It is not difficult to find villa live at 3 pm on saturdays on an internet stream.

The day that happens every non-league club may as well pack up.

Well maybe the non league clubs could go the same route as college football in the US.  Over there the college game is played and televised (to a massive audience) on Saturdays with the pro game being played on Sundays.  No reason why that couldn't happen over here Dave.

Cant imagine non league footie getting a massive tv audience on a saturday in england.

[mr-villa]

I agree  but sadly though dave , money seems to be the main incentive  - clubs will go to the wall, its like the supermarkets killing the smaller shops - the rich will get richer and those who cant survive will go out of business.

But why make it easier for the 'Supermarket clubs' to force the 'local shop clubs' out of business? We should be trying to even things up a little not widening the gap further surely?

And do you think this will be good for the likes of Villa? The big clubs will negotiate deals far in excess of anything we will manage, further adding to the gap between ourselves and Man Utd and Chelsea.

Quite right. There needs to be as level playing field as possible. The gap's already wide enough as it is.

And the only way you will get that is if Platini and his lazy chums at UEFA get off there arses and introduce a max salary cap per player per week across all UEFA affiliated clubs.  I'll go first and propose £50k per week maximum for any player.  2.5 million per year is plenty to live comfortably on.

[eastie]

I agree  but sadly though dave , money seems to be the main incentive  - clubs will go to the wall, its like the supermarkets killing the smaller shops - the rich will get richer and those who cant survive will go out of business.

But why make it easier for the 'Supermarket clubs' to force the 'local shop clubs' out of business? We should be trying to even things up a little not widening the gap further surely?

And do you think this will be good for the likes of Villa? The big clubs will negotiate deals far in excess of anything we will manage, further adding to the gap between ourselves and Man Utd and Chelsea.

Quite right. There needs to be as level playing field as possible. The gap's already wide enough as it is.

And the only way you will get that is if Platini and his lazy chums at UEFA get off there arses and introduce a max salary cap per player per week across all UEFA affiliated clubs.  I'll go first and propose £50k per week maximum for any player.  2.5 million per year is plenty to live comfortably on.

Would that not get thrown out by the law courts under some restriction of trade law?
It would not happen in any case .

[mr-villa]

As you - quite rightly - can't show Saturday 3pm kick-offs live, the idea's a non-starter anyway.

For now maybe , but sometime in the future i wouldnt rule it out .
It is not difficult to find villa live at 3 pm on saturdays on an internet stream.

The day that happens every non-league club may as well pack up.

Well maybe the non league clubs could go the same route as college football in the US.  Over there the college game is played and televised (to a massive audience) on Saturdays with the pro game being played on Sundays.  No reason why that couldn't happen over here Dave.

Cant imagine non league footie getting a massive tv audience on a saturday in england.

Well no the principle I was alluding to was that the non league game has an entirely separate game day to that of the pro game.