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[KevinGage]

I thought he was outstanding on Saturday, however I was disappointed to see him applauding the referee upon the red card being shown to the Arsenal defender, we're better than that.

Normally I'd agree. 

But the other way to look at it was he wasn't overawed by the occasion, or fearful of the response.  Arsenal like to portray themselves as a class above.  But they have plenty of irritating little shits who like to moan at the ref when the opposition have the audacity to tackle them. 

A smug sense of entitlement seems to run through that club. 

when you say 'normally i'd agree' you mean when its everyone elses players, but because its one of ours I will make an exeption

No, I actually mean what I said. 

Those sophisticated cultured gooners have enough shitbags in their team so as to render any cries of foul play or injustice null and void.

See also Nani's sending off last season, when the Madrid player did a full pirourette before flopping to the ground.  In most instances, that sort of behavior would be disagreeable.  But because it happened to one of the biggest cheats in the game, he and Ol'Beetroot features didn't have a leg to stand on.

[Mortimer's Bear]

as long as you all have the same fair minded view if Delph gets sent off tomorow and John Terry stands there aplauding the ref.

i'm sure you will all see the sportsmanship in that

Exactly

[Clampy]

I thought he was outstanding on Saturday, however I was disappointed to see him applauding the referee upon the red card being shown to the Arsenal defender, we're better than that.

Must admit, I felt a bit uneasy about it when I saw it back on Saturday night. Mind you, i'm dead sure I saw an Arsenal player ask the ref for a card for one of our players during the second half.

[abc123cox]

I thought he was outstanding on Saturday, however I was disappointed to see him applauding the referee upon the red card being shown to the Arsenal defender, we're better than that.

Must admit, I felt a bit uneasy about it when I saw it back on Saturday night. Mind you, i'm dead sure I saw an Arsenal player ask the ref for a card for one of our players during the second half.

i put money on it being Wilshire.

[eastie]

I thought he was outstanding on Saturday, however I was disappointed to see him applauding the referee upon the red card being shown to the Arsenal defender, we're better than that.

Must admit, I felt a bit uneasy about it when I saw it back on Saturday night. Mind you, i'm dead sure I saw an Arsenal player ask the ref for a card for one of our players during the second half.

It's what you expect from arsenal and Chelsea players among others , a part of the game i dislike .

[Toronto Villa]

I don't like it either but at the same time I don't want to be ones not doing it if the refs are buying it. If the refs weren't influenced by it then fine, but they are. It might be shit to see our players do it, but being passive gets you nowhere.

[not3bad]

This would have been an interesting subject to mention to Paul lambert during his question and answer session recently.

[Damo70]

I thought he was outstanding on Saturday, however I was disappointed to see him applauding the referee upon the red card being shown to the Arsenal defender, we're better than that.

Must admit, I felt a bit uneasy about it when I saw it back on Saturday night. Mind you, i'm dead sure I saw an Arsenal player ask the ref for a card for one of our players during the second half.

i put money on it being Wilshire.

Probably on the occasion which actually made me smile as he clearly said "how many f***in times ref?". It was great to see we had got him so riled.

[Clampy]

I thought he was outstanding on Saturday, however I was disappointed to see him applauding the referee upon the red card being shown to the Arsenal defender, we're better than that.

Must admit, I felt a bit uneasy about it when I saw it back on Saturday night. Mind you, i'm dead sure I saw an Arsenal player ask the ref for a card for one of our players during the second half.

i put money on it being Wilshire.

It might as well have been, he didn't do a fat lot else. Am I the person on the planet who thinks he's overated?

[paul_e]

I thought he was outstanding on Saturday, however I was disappointed to see him applauding the referee upon the red card being shown to the Arsenal defender, we're better than that.

Must admit, I felt a bit uneasy about it when I saw it back on Saturday night. Mind you, i'm dead sure I saw an Arsenal player ask the ref for a card for one of our players during the second half.

i put money on it being Wilshire.

It might as well have been, he didn't do a fat lot else. Am I the person on the planet who thinks he's overated?

Nope, I've been saying it for ages, he looks nice and neat and tidy but he doesn't actually have much effect on the game.  Those players are needed, but to hype him up as the best young player in England on the back of it is just silly.  He's also a nasty little shit which makes it hard to not want him to fall flat on his face a few times.

[supertom]

I thought he was outstanding on Saturday, however I was disappointed to see him applauding the referee upon the red card being shown to the Arsenal defender, we're better than that.

Must admit, I felt a bit uneasy about it when I saw it back on Saturday night. Mind you, i'm dead sure I saw an Arsenal player ask the ref for a card for one of our players during the second half.

i put money on it being Wilshire.

It might as well have been, he didn't do a fat lot else. Am I the person on the planet who thinks he's overated?

Nope, I've been saying it for ages, he looks nice and neat and tidy but he doesn't actually have much effect on the game.  Those players are needed, but to hype him up as the best young player in England on the back of it is just silly.  He's also a nasty little shit which makes it hard to not want him to fall flat on his face a few times.

Wiltshires best attribute is moaning.

He's a good player but I think injuries have held him back. He's certainly not the saviour of the England team by any stretch. He's not fit to tie the laces of a Lampard or Gerrard yet.

One problem Arsenal had on saturday was that Wiltshire and Ramsey were both doing exactly the same job. Sat deep, getting the ball and playing it simply. Nothing particularly penetrative. No really bursts into the box. Tidy players. The sort you only need one of in your side. Wiltshire is better than Ramsey. But by much? Not entirely sure. I see Westwood as having as much potential as Wiltshire, with a better attitude with it.

Wiltshire certainly does have one of the most punch worthy faces in the premier league right now.

[Chris Smith]

Isn't this all a little precious?

When you're getting kicked, pushed and pulled all game it's only natural that you're going to show your approval when the ref starts to do something about it.

[not3bad]

I've spoken to people who saw Arsenal play and said everything good they did came through Wilshire.  Maybe he is that good but Villa stopped him playing, to their credit?

[Clampy]

I've spoken to people who saw Arsenal play and said everything good they did came through Wilshire.  Maybe he is that good but Villa stopped him playing, to their credit?

I thought personally most of Arsenal's good play came through Rosicky.

[supertom]

I've spoken to people who saw Arsenal play and said everything good they did came through Wilshire.  Maybe he is that good but Villa stopped him playing, to their credit?

I thought personally most of Arsenal's good play came through Rosicky.

Yeah me too. He seemed like the only one really trying to drive the team forward at high gear. When Arsenal upped the tempo and were a bit more direct, they were harder to handle.

Also in fairness to Rosicky, I give him credit for staying on his feet when he was slipped through 1 on 1 against Guzman. He got nicked and could have dropped looking for a pen but he stayed on his feet. You could say he was too honest for his own good.